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berto
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Savage on McGreevey on Larry Craig

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I should have posted something yesterday on Jim McGreevey’s op-ed in Monday’s Washington Post about Larry Craig. But I found it hard to suppress the urge to vomit every time I tried to read McGreevey’s piece, and I didn’t want to splatter vomit all over my newish laptop.

I got through it this morning and, man, what a dishonest piece of shit. It’s an absolutely nauseating piece, from its unctuous title (“A Prayer for Larry Craig”) to the italics at the end letting us know that the former New Jersey governor is studying to be an Episcopal priest. That would be the same ex-governor last seen in public making fun of his ex-wife’s dress sense.


You go, Dan!

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Oh dag nabbit! I think McGreevey's a hotty. I'd do him whatever!

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Craig Defends "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
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By now most of America knows that Republican Senator Larry Craig of Idaho (seen here singing show tunes (?) with Senator Trent Lott and former Attorney General John Ashcroft) claims to have "a very wide stance" when going to the restroom. What some of you might not know, however, is that Senator Craig also served in the U.S. military, was dismissed from that service, and came to be an outspoken opponent of allowing gays to serve openly.

As reported this afternoon by blogger Mike Rogers on The Ed Schultz Program, there's a recent statement from Craig about his feelings on the matter.

In what could be called another of Craig’s "he said/he said situations," the Senator corresponded with a constituent (and SLDN supporter) earlier this month about why he’d never support repealing "Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell." In the August 17 letter to his constituent, Craig wrote that, "The armed forces exist to wage war. It is unacceptable to risk the lives of American soldiers and sailors merely to accommodate the sexual lifestyles of certain individuals." He also noted that, "I don’t believe the military should be a place for social experimentation."
 
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Rain wrote:
Oh dag nabbit! I think McGreevey's a hotty. I'd do him whatever!


There is no accounting for taste...

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berto wrote:
There is no accounting for taste...


ZED!

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"I don’t believe the military should be a place for social experimentation."


But does the senator believe the military should be a place for a "wide stance"?

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berto wrote:
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ZED!


...I thought you were never gonna say that... Razz

Larry Craig's daughter is busted after tee-vee appearance

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On "America’s Most Wanted," suspects often get identified after their pictures are aired. Such was the case when Larry Craig’s daughter, Shea Suzanne Howell appeared on ABC. Craig can add the arrest of his daughter to the list of unintended consequences he is racking up. This sad event proves that "no good deed goes unpunished." After her national TV appearance, a Boise resident put 2 and 2 together and sent this little unsolicited nugget from the local sheriff's warrant list: Shae Suzanne Howell, wanted for contempt of court, $500 bond. We checked with officials at the jail and the April 18 contempt of court warrant is active. The original offense was unlawful entry and malicious injury to property.

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Marc Fisher gets pissy about Michael Rogers...

Who Among Us Would Cast the First Stone? This Guy

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Don't see how he got pissy. If anything it's a rather badly hidden love-fest. Fisher literally oozes admiration.

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And now THIS from the pits of our own gay hell:

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Where the Craig "spectacle" departs from earlier ones is that some in the gay and lesbian community are participating in humiliating Craig or saying nothing as he has been attacked. Most of the leading gay groups have been silent, making no comment on Craig or the suspect police tactics used in the sting.

William K. Dobbs, a gay civil libertarian, described the performance of the gay groups as "Abysmal, absolutely abysmal. It seems the only sexual behavior they care about these days is within the context of marriage."

That the groups made no comment on the police was especially disturbing to Dobbs particularly since 40 other men were busted in the sting.

"It's not just the Craig thing, but this is an ongoing targeting," he said. "There has to be a way in these situations to say, 'Look I don't like this person, but I decry what is being done.'"

Historians who have written about gay life in the '50s, '60s and '70s and some who lived through those decades tended to first object to the sex sting when asked for a reaction. They also had some sympathy for Craig.
"You have to feel sorry for him without regard to his political beliefs," said Ken Sherrill, a professor of political science at Hunter College. "That shouldn't happen to anybody."

But in the gay blogosphere, some Web masters and readers have shown a barely disguised pleasure at the downfall of yet another right winger who was discovered violating the principles that he, his political party, or his church has championed.


I have abso-fucking-lutely NO qualms at all about attacking Craig. None. Nada. Zilch. Nein. Nicht. Nyet. and any other negative you can think of. I relish it. I have lived for it on various and sundry blogs under various and sundry pseudonyms and cybermonikers. Why? Because he's what he is and what he has been and that has done me and others like me a phenomenal disservice. So why should I even flinch at the thought of finally (though vicariously...since he really did it to himself) wielding the sword of fateful justice? Why should I? Because I'm a better faggot than Craig? I know I am. I'm out to all and everyone. I don't care that people know that I fuck and get fucked by my boyfriend. That's as it should be. Craig wasn't as he should be for years. He could have been. But he wasn't. And that hurt me, others like me, himself, his wife, his family, and ultimately, in some some small and hardly measurable way, his political party.

And that last one I really, really do thank him for.

Oh, yes, I empathize with the situation he was in. I've been there more than once. Don't you JUST hate having a good blow job interrupted by a nightstick and a flashlight? Doesn't anybody?

The last time I was rounded up I wasn't lucky enough to get even that. A blow job, I mean...cuz the flashlights and nightsticks I did get.

I was exiting Central Park at 1 a.m. That's the appointed curfew imposed under Mayor Edward I. Koch, another drama queen, during the height of the AIDS mongering. The cops need to fill monthly quotas here in NYC. Central Park has it's own precinct. It also has it's own cruising areas. It's had them ever since the park was built. Cruising them is a rite of passage and a lovely way to spend some time in the gloriously hot and humid NYC summer night.

That last time I was leaving the park, as I say. Well, my friend from who knows what country...he had an accent...well, SHE decides SHE wants to say hello to some boy jerking a rather humongous penis. So large it was quite visible in the 1 a.m. darkness from yards away. This dick was big.

Anyway, as I meander about waiting on her to "say hello", the cops bust in. We all got rounded up. To my horror I remember I had some head candy stashed in a pack of cigarettes. I ditched the pack as we were being led out of the park in some bushes. Some slick rookie cop saw me do it. Now, I wasn't handcuffed. I wasn't taken down to some station house. I was merely given two "desk appearance" tickets. One for marijuana possesion and the other for breaking the curfew in Central Park. How quaint. The judge who oversaw the whole thing a few months later laughed and dismissed it all. He's been there before it seems. And so have professors from Hunter College...that school being so conveniently close to the Rambles, the largest cruising area in Central Park. But I won't mention any names.

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"It's understandable the delight that people show, but that's kind of shortsighted," Johnson said. "We shouldn't be delighting in the tactics, the kind of homophobia that's behind the system that caught him. Ironically, he helped create it and perpetuate it."


And THAT is why I cackle with glee!

This guy quotes two of my political science professors in his piece, Duberman and Sherrill. I don't agree with that dribble. I have no sympathy for Craig. Not even after being in Craig's Manolo Blahniks. I don't care. SHE's a pig...in the 1960s sense of the word. And THIS is the reason why I have no reason for the pig:

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Craig has consistently opposed legislation sought by the gay and lesbian community, but he was never a right-wing leader and he was probably unknown to most gay and lesbian people before August 27 when Roll Call broke the arrest story. Still he earned the scorn of many gay men and lesbians who have been vilified by his peers and his political party.



Anyway...READ...I'm going to make my Saturday morning coffee and kick my boyfriend in the ass as he sleeps soundly in bed for giving me this nasty flu.
 
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Craig has consistently opposed legislation sought by the gay and lesbian community, but he was never a right-wing leader and he was probably unknown to most gay and lesbian people before August 27 when Roll Call broke the arrest story.


One must always be quite careful when discussing "most gay and lesbian people." The author does not know "most gay and lesbian people," and neither do I. It could easily be assumed that Craig was unknown to "most gay and lesbian people," and it can just as validly be supposed that he remains unknown to "most gay and lesbian people" even today.

In any event, Mr. Craig has been quite known to this particular Gay person for many years.

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"We shouldn't be delighting in the tactics, the kind of homophobia that's behind the system that caught him. Ironically, he helped create it and perpetuate it."


Who is this "WE"?

There is a certain segment of the Gay populace that is engaged in a dreamy and quixotic attempt to purge at least some corner of the world of this "kind of homophobia." Certainly it would be hypocritical in the extreme for members of that segment of the Gay populace to engage in such tactics, and it would be hypocritical as well for them to delight in the deployment of such tactics as deployed by others.

In the real world, such homophobia exists. It is alive and well. It has neither disappeared nor does it appear to be passing away, as a certain segment of the Gay populace wishes it would (and, indeed, is struggling quite hard to make it do so). The homophobia inherent in the Republican party is quite troublesome, politically -- a pity it will not simply "go away."

Mr. Rodgers' efforts serve a useful purpose. It would be an absurd error to presume that this purpose is the eradication of homophobia in the Republican Party, or even society at large.

Let the one-worlders go "tut, tut" all they wish.

I shall join Rain in cackling at the downfall of yet another of my enemies. If I believed the one-worlders had half a chance, I would also look forward to the day when one's choice of sex partners or sexual venues "doesn't matter." I don't believe such a thing though. Instead I will look forward to the day when people with "a wide stance" work for the good of the Gay people, not against it.

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Larry Craig voted in favor of the Defense of Marriage Act and twice for the federal marriage amendment. He voted against hate crimes legislation protecting gay men and lesbians. He refused to sponsor: ENDA, the legislation banning workplace discrimination, legislation to provide same-sex partners of American citizens immigration rights, and legislation to expand Medicaid to people with HIV.

He's an enemy of the gay people. PERIOD. If he was apprehended by the agents of the heterosexual state for engaging in cultural practices of the gay people which the heterosexual state has decreed illegal, that's his business. He wasn't in that toilet standing up for gay rights, he was bending down to give a cop a blow job.
 
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Well, I'm not going to criticize Rain or Feral, any more than I criticized those who were glad to hear of the death of Ronnie Ray-gun (I was one of them). But I will no more condone the homophobic bust of Larry Craig -- because that's what it is -- than I condoned the homophobia displayed against Mark Foley.

Yes, I will even defend homophobic Republicans against homophobes. Wrong is wrong.

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Idaho rep lashes out on Senate's handling of Craig

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Rep. Mike Simpson (R) condemned Senate GOP leaders yesterday for their treatment of fellow Idahoan Sen. Larry Craig (R), accusing them of hypocrisy. “I hope I never stub my toe and they throw me under the bus,” Simpson said of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) and other Republican leaders. “It kind of makes you wonder what party you want to be a member of.”

Simpson pointed a finger at Craig’s leaders for staying mum on the legal and personal jeopardy facing other GOP senators, including Alaskan Ted Stevens, now under federal investigations, and Louisianan David Vitter, who has admitted contacting an escort service. McConnell declined to comment, but Senate Republican sources shrugged off his frustration with their conference’s handling of Craig. “Who cares what Simpson thinks? He is irrelevant,” one Senate GOP aide said.


Court throws out arrest in Calif. restroom sex sting

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A Fresno, Calif., man's conviction for soliciting sex from a sheriff's deputy in a park restroom nearly five years ago was overturned by a three-judge panel, it was announced this week. But the ruling, which threw out the conviction of Stephen Lake, 51, did not address whether the bathroom stings were discriminatory because they targeted only homosexual activity. Instead, the judges ruled that prosecutors did not establish that someone was likely to be present who would have been offended by Lake's conduct, an element needed to prove a crime took place.

Lake's attorney, Bruce Nickerson, had argued the arrest and prosecution are discriminatory because men and women are never prosecuted for soliciting sex if money is not involved. He also said Sen. Larry Craig of Idaho, recently arrested in a similar sting in a Minneapolis airport, can probably also reverse his guilty plea on grounds of discrimination.

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Well, I'm not going to criticize Rain or Feral, any more than I criticized those who were glad to hear of the death of Ronnie Ray-gun (I was one of them).


The comparison with the Ray Gun is quite apt. A number of people I've known quite well have had Alzheimer's... it is a dreadful disease. There really aren't words to describe just how dreadful... not in a pathetic sentence or two. There are more than a few people who would not have wished such a condition upon anyone, more than a few who took no pleasure at all in the Ray Gun's illness. Then there are those who had a much more visceral reaction to that creature. "Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy" was something I heard quite often.

Many things are wretched. Sometimes we think people deserve them and sometimes we don't.

In the case of Mr. Craig... he really should resolve to consult an attorney next time he finds himself in legal difficulties. Had he done so, he would likely not have pleaded guilty. The press from a successful (assuming quite charitably that he would have been successful) court fight on this matter would have played far differently than did his no-so-skillful efforts at playing Secret Squirrel.

(Did he really think that telling no one, pleading guilty, and paying the fine would make this matter evaporate? This alone is reason enough for him to resign his seat in the Senate.)

Representative Simpson accuses the Senate GOP leaders of 'hypocrisy." In just which way are they supposed to be behaving hypocritically this time? They haven't been hypocritical... they've been homophobic -- grotesquely so. This is not news, or at least shouldn't be. We're talking about Republicans here. When they display themselves so flamboyantly as just what they are... consider it a gift. At least one Republican congressman claims to be wondering what party he wants to be a member of.

If a wolf eats a lamb (and it's my lamb), I have outrage aplenty for the rapacious dealings of wolves and plenty of schemes for dealing with wolves in the future. When this wolf is eating my neighbor's lamb, and this neighbor has been actively opposing every single one of my efforts to protect my own lambs from these very wolves... I just have no tears for my neighbor or his lamb. All I can offer is "Dude... that wolf just ate your lamb." It doesn't mean I stop fussing about the wolves in the neighborhood. It just means "it couldn't have happened to a better lamb."

Now... there is plenty of room for uber-charitable activism against evil of all kinds. Just don't drink too much of the Log Cabin Kool-Aid. I, at least, just don't have that much charity in me -- not for traitors.

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Well, I'm not going to criticize Rain or Feral, any more than I criticized those who were glad to hear of the death of Ronnie Ray-gun (I was one of them).


The comparison with the Ray Gun is quite apt. A number of people I've known quite well have had Alzheimer's... it is a dreadful disease. There really aren't words to describe just how dreadful... not in a pathetic sentence or two. There are more than a few people who would not have wished such a condition upon anyone, more than a few who took no pleasure at all in the Ray Gun's illness. Then there are those who had a much more visceral reaction to that creature. "Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy" was something I heard quite often.


Oh, I wasn't pleased that it was Alzheimer's, specifically, or anything like that. I was just glad to hear that the bastard was dead.

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Two points:

As far as Reagan and Alzheimer's, I was really sorry to see him end that way. Had it been mine to give, I would have given the bastard the most wretched, painful form of cancer. One where he would linger and whither away painfully and slowly, like so many of my friends. So, no I wasn't at all happy that he had Alzheimer's, I was outraged. This man should have suffered and should have had the full mental faculty to feel that suffering. He should have also had the opportunity to clearly reflect on his past and the destruction it cost so many, many lives. Alzheimer's spared him the remorse of conscience that should accompany the end of anyone's life. He got off easy.

As for Larry Craig, he was hoisted by his own right-wing, Republican, queer-bating petard...TWICE! I have no remorse and no compassion.
 
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Had it been mine to give, I would have given the bastard the most wretched, painful form of cancer. One where he would linger and whither away painfully and slowly, like so many of my friends.


No argument with most of what you wrote, but wouldn't him dying of AIDS be more fitting, poetic justice-wise?

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No, he would have lived to see the advent of HAART and combination therapy. And he could have still been alive today. Some people just need to go. I'm not sorry he went. I'm just sorry he didn't even know he was going.

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Moving on: I'm sure that Senator Craig takes comfort in knowing that some regard him as a victim of police entrapment, CASH. And despite the fact that I am not gay and never have been, I don't think it should be illegal for one man to hit on another man. But if a bill making it illegal for men to hit on other men in airport toilets— or anywhere else—had come up for a vote, Senator Craig, with his perfect antigay voting record, would surely have voted in favor of it. So even if Senator Craig is the victim here, as some are insisting, it's hard to feel much sympathy for him.



I hardly ever agree with Savage on anything. But on this we see eye to eye.

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