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Post subject: Gay Youth and Homelessness  PostPosted: Feb 25, 2007 - 08:22 AM



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20% of Brighton and Hove’s homeless youth are GLBT

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-1826.html

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The study found 10% of young people who made contact with Hove YMCA’s Housing Advice service identify as LGBT. Through subsequent contacts project workers estimate the figure is closer to a fifth of homeless young people.

One of the key findings of the study is the extent to which LGBT young people experienced problems at school. Over two thirds reported being bullied and this appeared to be linked to truanting and exclusion from school, and subsequent educational underachievement.

None of the young people had received sex or relationships education at school that was inclusive of LGBT lives.

There was also a high incidence of mental health problems with two thirds of young people having attempted suicide.



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Commenting on the findings which were released last week, Mr Cull said: “The launch of the research report has been timely with the City currently developing the new Children and Young Peoples Trust and Youth Homeless Strategy.

“The report should raise awareness amongst service providers and help them identify how they can support LGBT young people more effectively. I particularly hope that schools will respond to the recommendations as we have found that schools generally are not inclusive or safe places for LGBT young people and that their negative experiences in schools are a contributory factor to their later homelessness”.

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Post subject: RE: Gay Youth  PostPosted: Feb 25, 2007 - 08:22 AM



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Do we reject our LGBT children?

Carl Siciliano, the executive director of the Ali Forney Center in New York has few illusions about the problems faced by gay youths in this day and age where "everything is so much better than it was."

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Numerous tragic situations I have encountered come to mind. There was the boy from rural Delaware who came out to his family at age 15 at a family picnic. His father first tried to strangle him and later that night kicked him out of his home. And the young woman from New York City whose mother discovered she is a lesbian. Her mother attacked her, ripping out a piece of her scalp. And the young man from Florida who told his father he is gay. His father put a gun to his head and told him to get out of the house, that he was no longer his son. I have heard hundreds of such stories and have known thousands of queer kids who have endured the terrors and degradations of homelessness as a result of rejection by their biological families.



The problem, or so it is claimed, seems to be the very progress that has been made over the decades. Research indicates that teens are coming out at younger ages than ever before. We are coming out younger than we ever did before, and it was bad back then. Since "things" are so much better now, we tend to gloss over how bad things used to be "back then." Thing is, on this score, things are much worse than they ever used to be.

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But what kind of an environment are today’s youths coming out in? We live in a society that remains bitterly divided about whether or not to accept LGBT people. Far too many parents are not willing to embrace their gay, lesbian, or transgender children. In fact, a recent study indicated that 25% of teens who come out experience rejection by their families. And many of these rejected teens find themselves out on the street, homeless and vulnerable. Surveys of homeless youths in cities across our country consistently show LGBT teens making up 25% to 50% of the entire homeless youth population.



One in four is not a good ratio, but there is little we can do about the actions of others, despite the Ali Foney Center's cute ad campaigns extolling str8 people not to throw away their children. The most certainly is plenty we can do about our own actions.

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It is tragic that so many youths are forced to experience homelessness as a result of their honesty. But it is disgraceful that the larger LGBT community focuses so little attention and so few resources on the problem. On behalf of the thousands of LGBT youths on the streets of our nation, I call on community members and leaders to make the welfare of our youngest members a priority. We might not be their parents, but these are our kids. We must do more to protect them. And we must come up with strategies to reach out to the communities who are often most opposed to us—religious conservatives, immigrants, people of color—for it is among families in such communities that our LGBT youths are most in peril.



As usual, the Ali Forney Center could use some help. As usual, they will take a cheque.

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The Ali Forney Center is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization funded by private foundations, government grants and the generosity of individuals, local businesses and the community at large. If you would like to make a donation, please make checks payable to the Ali Forney Center and mail the following address. Your donation is tax deductible.

Ali Forney Center
527 West 22nd St., 1st Floor
New York, New York 10011

Items We Always Need:

* Non-perishable foods
* Toiletries
* Cleaning supplies
* Office supplies
* Twin sheet sets
* Towels and wash cloths
* Socks, underwear & T-shirts

New clothing and new or "gently" used linens are appreciated.



If New York doesn't suit your fancy, there are several other similar programs in cities around the world. They deserve the 'gay dollar' far more than the Democrats or the NDP.

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Post subject: RE: Gay Youth  PostPosted: Feb 25, 2007 - 08:23 AM



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Milk Suit Settled

This is what comes of letting str8 people participate in what ought to be a gay undertaking.

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Reverend Ruben Diaz, Sr., a Bronx state Senator, has settled his 2003 lawsuit against the Harvey Milk High School. Diaz, who has publicly sparred with the gay community for more than a decade, launched his suit, in which Jerry Falwell’s Liberty Counsel represented him, when the New York Post trumpeted news of an increase in city funding for the school, which is operated by the Hetrick-Martin Institute that serves LGBT youth. The school, created in 1985 as a haven for New York City public school students harassed over sexual orientation, acknowledges in the settlement that it is not closed to non-gay students. Liberty Counsel pledged to track admissions to make sure the school is not discriminating against straight youth.


"Not discriminating against straight youth."

I see.

It's straight youth that create the harassment that makes the Milk school necessary.

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Post subject: RE: Gay Youth  PostPosted: Feb 25, 2007 - 08:23 AM



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Gay foster families sought

Counseling center hopes to keep gay teens from street life


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Last November, the Montrose Counseling Center, a stronghold in the center of the city's gay community, sent out a call for gay-friendly foster parents.

The not-for-profit got at least 12 volunteers, five of whom have registered with a private foster care agency working with the center. That agency will train the parents and help pair foster care kids with them, although none have been placed yet.

Unlike other, similar efforts in the nation, this gay-friendly recruitment is coming from outside the state's child protective agency.

Ann Robison, executive director of the counseling center, said the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services is aware of her organization's effort, but both sides need a face-to-face meeting to work out logistics. The agency oversees foster care for the state, but it outsources some parent training and recruitment to private organizations.

"This is very slow going," Robison said. "I hope we will have it worked out soon."

Right now state officials say they can't guarantee that teens referred by the center will be paired with the parents it recruits. But they welcome the fresh crop of foster parent volunteers.

Gwen Carter, Houston-area spokeswoman for Child Protective Services, said her agency has to consider a host of issues — everything from sexual orientation to drug use and religion — when matching a child to a foster home.

"If a child says, 'I want to be in a home that will accept my sexuality,' we will try our best to meet their needs," Carter said.

Handling homeless teenagers, a population the Montrose center wants to serve, can also be complicated. Those kicked out of their houses are declared wards of the state if they are considered abandoned by their parents; this means they are eligible for foster care. But teens who leave voluntarily are often deemed runaways, not foster kids, which means parents who take in these kids get no state assistance.


Data on Homelessness in Houston/Harris County suggests that 1,700 people under the age of 21 recieve homeless services. The Center believes that about 30% of them are GLBT, a figure that is in line with similar figures around the world.

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Post subject: RE: Gay Youth  PostPosted: Feb 25, 2007 - 08:25 AM



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The Child Welfare League of America is in on it too.

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(Washington D.C., August 16, 2006) — Today, Lambda Legal and the Child Welfare League of America launched a new publication to serve as a guide for helping the child welfare system to better meet the needs of LGBTQ youth in care.

Out in the Margins: A Report on Regional Listening Forums Highlighting the Experiences of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Questioning Youth in Care, is a compilation of the experiences of LGBTQ youth in care along with concrete solutions to end the problems they face in the foster care, juvenile justice, and homeless/transitional living systems. The information was gathered during 13 listening forums attended by over 500 people — including social workers, service providers, administrators, caregivers, and LGBTQ youth who are or were in care — from 22 states in 2003-2004. The publication is available free of charge upon request or downloadable at www.lambdalegal.org or www.cwla.org.

“We held listening forums in every region of the country and found that the needs of LGBTQ youth in care are by and large the same no matter where they live. From large urban cities to small rural towns — not enough is being done to keep these young people safe,” said Rudy Estrada, Staff Attorney for Lambda Legal’s Foster Care Project. “That kind of coast to coast consensus makes this book applicable to child welfare services everywhere.”

“This report offers concrete recommendations for policy makers and practitioners who want to make a difference in the lives of LGBTQ youth,” said Rob Woronoff, LGBTQ Program Director at the Child Welfare League of America. “The experiences and practical solutions in this report come directly from the people who are most affected — the youth and their advocates, caregivers, and service providers.”


The report can be downloaded here. Fair warning: the PDF is 176 pages long. It's worth reading.

Lest people get the delusional idea that Lambda Legal is "sucking all the resources" out of the 'gay movement' for their court battles over marriage equality, I would point out that Lambda Legal has been working on important youth issues all along, and continue to do so.


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This fall, the two groups will launch a free toolkit with a variety of handouts aimed at providing additional educational information specifically geared for the child welfare community, from foster parents, to LGBT youth in care, to social workers and beyond. In November, CWLA will host its annual Finding Better Ways Best Practices conference, and this year’s will be entirely devoted to addressing the needs of LGBTQ youth and families involved with the country’s foster care system. This conference, cosponsored by Lambda Legal, will take place in Nashville, TN. For more information on any of these resources go to www.lambdalegal.org or www.cwla.org.


In case anyone hasn't been paying attention, the statistics on gay youth are horrific.

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# 25-40% of youth who become homeless each year are LGBT.
(Kruks G, Journal of Adolescent Health.)

# 50% of homeless youth identify as LGBTQ.
(Mallon, G, We Don’t Exactly Get the Welcome Wagon: The Experiences of Gay and Lesbian Adolescents in the Child Welfare Systems.)

# 26% of gay youth are forced to leave home because of conflicts with family members over sexual orientation.
(Rhode Island Task Force on Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Youth.)

# 23% of GLB youth have been threatened with a weapon at school. 52% feel sad and hopeless. 48% have seriously considered suicide. 29% have attempted suicide. GLB youth are two-to-three times more likely to get pregnant or get someone pregnant than heterosexual youth.
(U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.)

# 30% of all completed adolescent suicides in the U.S. are by LGBT youth.
(U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.)

# 28% of LGBT youth drop out of school because of verbal or physical harassment by other students.
(Savin-Williams, RC, Journal of Consulting Clinical Psychology.

# 78% of youth report that young people who are gay or thought to be gay are teased or bullied in their schools and communities. 93% hear other youth at school or in their neighborhood use words like "fag," "homo," "dyke," "queer," or "gay" at least once in a while, with 51% hearing them every day.
(National Mental Health Association.)

# 50% of gay males report negative reactions from their parents when they disclosed their sexual orientation and 26% were forced to leave home as a result of disclosing their sexual orientation to their parents.
(U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.)

# 33% of gay men and 34% of lesbians report suffering physical violence from family members as a result of their sexual orientation.
(Philadelphia Lesbian and Gay Task Force.)

# 50% of transgendered youth trade sex for money or a place to live.
(Massachusetts Department of Public Health.)

# 30% of young, black gay men in America are infected with HIV disease.
(U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.)

# LGBT youth are twice as likely as heterosexual youth to abuse alcohol, and eight times as likely to use cocaine/crack.
(Garofalo, R, MD, et al, The American Association of Pediatrics.)

# LGBT homeless youth are physically or sexually victimized on average by seven more people than heterosexual homeless youth; leave home an average of 12 times compared to seven times for heterosexual homeless youth; had nearly twice as many sexual partners in their lives than did heterosexual homeless youth; and used 11 of 12 substances more frequently during the previous six months.
(University of Washington.)

# The following have adopted policies against discrimination based on sexual orientation:

The American Psychiatric Association (APA)
The American Psychological Association (APA)
The National Association of Social Workers (NASW)
The American Medical Association (AMA)
The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP)
The American Counseling Association (ACA)
The American School Health Association (ASHA)
The Child Welfare League of America (CWLA)

# The following have issued statements condemning attempts by child welfare and mental health professionals to alter a person’s sexual orientation or gender identity through so called reparative or conversion therapies:

The American Psychiatric Association (APA)
The American Psychological Association (APA)
The National Association of Social Workers (NASW)
The American Counseling Association (ACA)

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Post subject: RE: Gay Youth  PostPosted: Feb 25, 2007 - 08:29 AM



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Homelessness among U.S. gay youth an ’epidemic’

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Up to 42 percent of the 575,000 to 1.6 million youths who are considered homeless or runaway are lesbian, gay or transgender, according to the report, "An Epidemic of Homelessness."

In New York, no one knows how many homeless youths there are let alone how many of them are LGBT, city officials acknowledged. But the estimate is that there are 30,000 homeless youths, of whom 8,400 are LGBT.

"Now that we have a report that sadly documents how big a problem the issue of homelessness among young LGBT people is," City Council Speaker Christine Quinn said, "it will make it much more difficult for government to ignore or walk away from that problem."

Solutions mentioned at the announcement included increasing the number of shelter beds for LGBT young people and expanding services designed for them to help them become self-sufficient.

Quinn and Councilmen Lewis Fidler and Alan Gerson noted that $1.2 million of the $2.6 million set aside in the budget passed this year for beds for at-risk, runaway and homeless youth is for LGBT homeless youth services.

The budget also calls for $50,000 for an independent count and demographic breakdown of the city’s homeless youth population. That count will be conducted in the spring, city officials said.


Here's NGLTF's press release on the report.

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According to statistics cited by the federally funded National Runaway Switchboard, 42 percent of homeless youth identify as gay or lesbian, which is grossly disproportionate given that approximately 3 to 5 percent of the U.S. population identifies as gay or lesbian. (Additional research has found that homeless youth also disproportionately identify as bisexual or transgender.) Based on these estimates, up to 8,400 of the 15,000 to 20,000 homeless youth estimated to live in New York City are LGBT. Nationwide, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, each year between 570,000 and 1.6 million youth are homeless or run away. This means that up to 672,000 of these youth are LGBT.
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The report was released today at City Hall in acknowledgment of the New York City Council’s leadership in addressing this issue. Since 2005, more than $2 million has been granted to organizations in the city that provide a variety of vital services to homeless LGBT youth.

These organizations have developed model practice programs that can be replicated at shelters around the country. For example, the report includes a chapter written by Theresa Nolan, division director of the New York-based Green Chimneys, detailing the organization’s model transitional living program. New York City has also funded two additional providers that work exclusively with LGBT homeless youth: the Ali Forney Center, headed by Executive Director Carl Siciliano, and Sylvia’s Place, where Kate Barnhart is program director. This unprecedented level of funding specifically for helping to house and serve LGBT homeless youth came about through the determined leadership of Councilmembers Lew Fidler, Alan Gerson and Speaker Christine Quinn.


You can read the actual study here.

I presume I'm supposed to chime in with the rah-rah cheer-leading being done for the City of New York on this matter... after all, $2 million is $2 million. I'm just not going to do it. If I accept the city's estimate that there are 8,400 homeless GLBT youths on their streets, this $2 million amounts to a whopping $238.10 per kid (the money for 210 of these 'hypothetical' kids is actually allocated for a project to count them scheduled for this spring). If I do not choose to accept these sanguine figures and instead prefer to give more credence to the idea that 42% of these 30,000 kids are GLBT, then the per capita value of this "unprecedented level of funding" goes down to $158.73. Finally, when you consider that members of the City Council (who presumably know what they've budgeted) say that the figure is really $1.2 million instead of NGLTF's higher figure, well... I think we all know how to divide by two. Meanwhile, the Ali Forney Center will still take your donations of twin sheets, socks, underwear, and (of course) cash.

For purposes of comparison, New York City budgets $7.2 million for Animal Care and Control. This represents a painful cut for the vendor; in 2005 received $8.9 million. That same year, NYC AC&C took in 44,547 animals (41,429 of them dogs and cats). That's $214.83 per dog or cat that year.

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Post subject: RE: Gay Youth  PostPosted: Feb 25, 2007 - 08:29 AM



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An excerpt from the report:

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Having a good knowledge of the risk factors that LGBT youth face, in addition to the factors that compound risk and lack of safety for LGBT youth in out-of-home care, we expected that upon opening Waltham House, the program would be flooded with referrals. What happened in the fall of 2002 was quite the opposite. The program opened with the arrival of four teens, and the remaining eight beds went unoccupied for several months. Three of these four youth were referred by a single social worker. This lack of referrals baffled the program and agency staff, especially when we considered stories we heard from former clients who had moved on to other programs and subsequently come out.

These former clients recounted stories of being kicked out by other agencies or care providers when they revealed their sexual orientation or gender identity. Worse still, too many of them said that the risks inherent in living in any space that was not protecting them as an LGBT person meant that they were better off having unsafe sex and contracting HIV because they would then be eligible for specific housing funds reserved for that community. This is a frightening thought, but also clearly a painful reality for some of our youth.

After numerous attempts at outreach to the program’s referral sources (primarily DSS), we started asking social workers about their impression of the situation and learned that professionals in the field did not have the language to initiate discussions with their clients about sexual orientation and gender identity, and therefore were not sure what an appropriate referral to Waltham House would entail. Furthermore, they had not had much, if any, training about LGBT identity and did not know how to identify clients on their caseloads who might be struggling with issues of sexual orientation or gender identity.

...

One of the outcomes of the training initiative was an increase in the number and types of referrals that Waltham House received. After suffering from a dearth of referrals due to the lack of awareness of LGBT youth within the system, Waltham House saw a spike in referrals as more and more DSS workers participated in LGBT training. Social workers were better able to identify LGBT young people on their caseloads and better equipped to have conversations with their clients about sexual orientation and gender identity/expression.


It should be noted that the number of beds devoted to homeless GLBT youth in New York is about 65. On one score at least it hardly matters whether the number of homeless gay teens is 8,000 or 12,000 -- the response to the problem is entirely inadequate.

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Post subject: RE: Gay Youth  PostPosted: Feb 25, 2007 - 08:30 AM



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But this is hardly a new problem and should come as a surprise to no one. Banished and homeless gay teens have been selling their asses on street corners for as long as anyone can remember. And there have certainly been enough movies on this subject. The "surprise" is the lack of will and interest in the gay community to muster its resources and ample forces to publicize and provide safe havens for these kids.

What the fuck is the matter with us? Our own queer City Council Speaker Christine Quinn was quoted as saying,"Now that we have a report that sadly documents how big a problem the issue of homelessness among young LGBT people is...it will make it much more difficult for government to ignore or walk away from that problem."

Sure. As I said, this problem is only news to the deaf, dumb and blind. I doubt a "report" will make a difference and Christine Quinn's polite comment is way too little and way too late for the thousands of kids we've allowed to suffer, sicken and die over the past decades.


In New York one could list Sylvia's Place (MCC) with 6 beds, Trinity Place (Lutheran) with 10 beds, Green Chimneys (a mainstream New York child welfare agency) with a total of 61 beds in four separate programs, and the recently expanded Ali Forney Center with 54 beds. That's 131 places for gay kids to sleep in a city that estimates that there are 8,400 homeless gay kids. Some accounting of the number of beds available to homeless GLBT youth would have it that there are only 65 of them.

The situation in New York is not, in fact, that the gay homeless shelters are woefully under-funded. They surely are, but that is hardly the point. If New York City had just budgeted $12 million instead $1.2 million for gay kids, would it be enough? By my count, for every queer kid who has a safe place to sleep, 63 others make do on the street. Queerty would have that second number be 128. I'm hardly one to quibble about mathematics. Clearly the programs for gay youth need to be expanded 100-fold in New York, not ten-fold. I fail to see how the situation could differ much in any other major city.

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Post subject: RE: Gay Youth  PostPosted: Feb 25, 2007 - 08:30 AM



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Digressing from the homelessness situation in New York, NGLTF's report says:

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The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services estimates that the number of homeless and runaway youth ranges from 575,000 to 1.6 million per year. And, according to the National Runaway Switchboard, up to 42 percent identify as lesbian or gay.


Using the lower figure for homeless youth, there are 241,500 homeless lesbian or gay youths in the US (accepting the claim that 42% are gay or lesbian at face value). The larger figure yields 672,000 such youths.

I wondered, while reading the report, how these figures related to the total number of youths in the US and, more importantly, to the total number of gay youths. The US Census Bureau estimates that there were 21,039,000 persons between the ages of 15 and 19 in 2005. The Census also found that, in 2005, 4.1% of the population identified as GLBT, suggesting that there are 841,560 GLBT youths between the ages of 15 and 19 in the US. The Census data suggests that you may approximately double that figure if you wish to include youths aged 10-14, and you may triple the figure to also account for the addition of youths aged 20-24 (most youth programs define 'youth' as being between 12 and 23).

20,858,000 10-14
21,039,000 15-19
21,038,000 20-24
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62,935,000

Echoing the average incidence of gays in the US (according to the Census Bureau) of 4.1%, you end up with 2,580,335 GLBT youth.

The higher estimate of 672,000 homeless gay youths represents 26% of all gay youths. The lower estimate is still a shocking 9% of all gay youths.

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Post subject: RE: Gay Youth  PostPosted: Feb 25, 2007 - 08:31 AM



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'berto wrote:
gawd... I hate stories like this. They're so depressing. Sad That doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about them, of course... it means we need to talk about it MORE.

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Post subject: RE: Gay Youth  PostPosted: Feb 25, 2007 - 08:31 AM



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Well, one thing we can talk about for certain is whether some of the more histrionic estimates are even credible.

What's this... NGLTF might actually quote errant statistics to get a rise out of the media?

Of course they would. For how long has the absurd statistic of 10% been bandied about, despite ample evidence to the contrary?

Is it credible that 1.6 million kids are homeless? Is it credible that as much as 42% of them are gay? One in four is an awful lot. If these numbers are gross exaggerations, no good purpose is served by parroting them.

That said, if we assume that even the lower statistic is in error and half it, one in twenty gay youths on the street is still way too much.

What we have here, of course, is one of the clearest examples of "straight people disease" that I can come up with. Just who do we expect to do something about this particular problem? The very people who caused it in the first place? I'm afraid that "you made this mess, now you clean it up" is not a workable solution. Neither is coughing up shelter beds for a measly 1% of homeless kids.

I drew a casual parallel between the expenditures of New York City on homeless gay teens and homeless dogs and cats. There is a noticeable difference between the two problems -- an effort is made to place a substantial number of the dogs and cats into homes.

Whether homelessness affects one in four gay teens or one in twenty, I put it to you that gay people have no business adopting infants. While I happen to think that this amounts to accessorizing a faux-straight lifestyle, I'm also pretty sure that it's theft, pure and simple. But then I also think that vacationing in Ibiza is theft... while the Ali Forney Center is still accepting donations of 'gently worn' sheets, socks, and underwear.

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The numbers can depend (among other reasons) on the definition of who shall be regarded as a "runaway" and "homeless" youth. Is a juvenile hustler who usually sleeps at clients and comes home only for fresh cloth, not a "runaway"? A boy dwelling in the garden house and visiting his parents' home once in a fortnight for cash (when daddy is not there), is not "homeless"?

I am not sure that it is sensible to adopt a 16 years old lad, but it sertainly makes sense to bring him into safe surrounding untill he can live on his own. Gay people are naturally best suitable foster parents for gay youth, and gay kids are probably most happy about gay parents.

In an ideal world, gay community centers would have computer lists of potential gay foster parents, and gay social workers would quickly find suitable individuals for a particular youth in need. In the real world, I am not even sure of whether such privately entertained agency would be legal?

But as we say, when there is a WILL there is also a WAY - thus gay people must first seriously wish to take over responsibility for gay kids. Astounishingly, even in such issues we are confronted with the "I am much more than gay" mentality - too many would readily donate for the local pet asylum but not for the gay homeless youth center.

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The "I am much more than gay" mentality is internalized homophobia wrapped up in one-world, we're-all-equal sentimentality. Usually these people phrase it as "I am so much more than gay," and what they are doing is desperately reaching out to be anything but gay. They wish to be fake straight people precisely because they do not wish to be gay people. That little matter of who they happen to sleep with is to be disregarded. I, for one, find it astonishing that any self-respecting gay person would sleep with such a creature at all. Perhaps none do and these fake straight people's transformation is complete.

When it comes to these particular youths who have run away from or been cast out from their homes, clearly gay foster parents are the best solution. After all, the straight people have already had their chance with these children and failed. Still, there are not a few straight families who manage to successfully raise a gay child, and I know of at least some straight foster parents who have been entirely satisfactory foster parents to gay teens. Sometimes we do not get "the best" and must satisfy ourselves with what is workable.

How, or even if the gay people will respond to this challenge is something the future will reveal. Certainly it would be a start if gays would begin to acknowledge that gay homelessness is a gay problem which calls for at least gay involvement in the solution. It would also be helpful it it is understood from the beginning that, however laudable current programs for GLBT youth are (and make no mistake... I applaud them wholeheartedly), there is required nearly one hundred times the current effort. Perhaps the numbers are grotesquely inflated -- maybe our efforts in this field must only be increased fifty or twenty or only ten times what they are now. The efforts of anyone, gay or straight, on behalf of these kids are today wholly inadequate and a cause for shame, not celebration.

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Post subject: RE: Gay Youth  PostPosted: Feb 25, 2007 - 08:33 AM



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The monstrous gorilla in the room is the ugly thing that we all know: plenty of adult gay people-- I daresay most in the US anyway-- actually fear our youth.

There is, and has been, so much talk (by str8s) of how depraved we are, and how we're all just pederasts at heart, that the idea of associating with anyone under 18 sends a cold streak racing up our backs. And it's no idle fear: one disgruntled 'house-guest' willing to lie is all it takes to put you in a US prison-- and have you registering with the police as a 'sexual predator' for the rest of your life.

This is an incredibly important facet of the current anti-gay pogrom and one of which so very few people will speak.

In the days when the closet was the default existence, there was a real Underground Railroad, if you will. If a gay teen wanted help--say, if Dad found out he was gay and beat him up-- just about any gay man could and would arrange for the lad to be whisked elsewhere... away to the company of friends, to sympathetic relatives out of state, wherever. All of us lived like spies anyway, so once the fellow was on his way, he was free.

We took the risk then. One of the few unfortunate by-products of this age of visibility is the Underground Railroad couldn't run today-- and even if it could, I don't think we'd take the risk now.

Why?

I'll postulate this: now that we are visible and, more important, now that we've actually gained a political beach-head (however tenuous), we have silently decided that our youth is on its own. To preserve the gains made so far, we're now willing to sacrifice them.

Yes, we tell ourselves that things are sufficiently different now, and there's a far better chance that hostile parents can be brought round to civility toward their gay offspring, but... you know, we're lying.

The question is, what can we do about it? I honestly don't know.

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Post subject: RE: Gay Youth  PostPosted: Feb 25, 2007 - 08:34 AM



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MonkeyBoy wrote:
There is, and has been, so much talk (by str8s) of how depraved we are, and how we're all just pederasts at heart, that the idea of associating with anyone under 18 sends a cold streak racing up our backs. And it's no idle fear: one disgruntled 'house-guest' willing to lie is all it takes to put you in a US prison-- and have you registering with the police as a 'sexual predator' for the rest of your life.

This is an incredibly important facet of the current anti-gay pogrom and one of which so very few people will speak.


Right you have. The problem is reaching far beyound the accomodation of juvenile house guest. Anything related to sex is accompanied by fear and hystery nowadays. It is not possible for a gay man to freely speak with a youngster about this aspect of life without running into danger of being suspected a child-molesting monster. This hystery befalls by times even the straight people - novadays, any adult man offering a candy to a child unevitably gets guilt complexes.

It is the pure self-protection when gays are keeping distance from youngsters - didn't their parents tell us to do so if we stick on our lives? In a world, where a man gets 15 years in prison for fellatio of a 17-year old lad, no gay man in posession of his mind would spontaneously take a homeless 13 years old boy to his appartment for a stay. Do good and be rewarded with destruction of the existence? - no thank you.

It is unprobable that the attitudes against any private initiative on this field will change any soon. The possible solution might be an organnized effort to accomodate the young people - through local gay youth care centers etc.

But of course, some goot fellows will still proceed at their own risk. It is important, however, that in cases of libel, other gays support them and do not run away like from the lepers.

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Post subject: RE: Gay Youth and Homelessness  PostPosted: Feb 25, 2007 - 08:36 AM



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Deb Price: U.S. must do better for homeless, runaway gay teens

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An appalling number of young people -- as many as 1.6 million, the federal government estimates -- are homeless or runaways. And even though a small fraction of teens are gay, more than 40 percent of homeless youth are gay, the National Runaway Switchboard finds.

The new report is a wakeup call for lawmakers and social service agencies: So much hostility and violence are directed at gay teens in foster care, homeless shelters or correctional facilities that many conclude they're safer living on a sidewalk. Our nation is failing these kids.

The federal Runaway and Homeless Youth Act needs to be renewed and better funded, as the report suggests, and Uncle Sam needs to focus on the reasons gay teens are at much higher risk for homelessness.

But this isn't just a government problem. Every American adult ought to hear the horrifying numbers in this report as a wakeup call to work harder to make our society more tolerant of diversity. One-quarter of homeless gay youth are throwaways -- teenagers thrown out of their homes because of their sexual orientation. As James, another teen profiled in the report, was told by his mother, "You're going to be straight or you're not going to live here anymore."

Plenty of kids living on the streets ran away from home to escape being beaten for being gay. Helping to create a society that teaches parents that every child deserves a loving home is up to every adult, not just those of us who're gay.


"Appalling," "horrifying"???

Well then, if you're going to quote party-line statistics for their shock value, pray... do include the harmless little factoid that these statistics represent one-quarter of ALL the 'mo youth in the US. I've already been over that. I'll gladly set aside my quibble with what is sure to become this generation's "ten-per cent lie." Is this what the words "appalling" and "horrifying" have come to mean in this day and age? I'm not appalled. "Horror" is not the word I would apply to my response to one in four gay and lesbian kids living on the street. Frankly, I don't think there ARE words in English for that.

Whatever.

I have one question, and it hardly matters whether these statistics are correct or not--

How the fuck did these kids end up homeless in the first place? Oh yes, as Ms Price says, "Our nation is failing these kids," and the numbers are no better in most other countries that have bothered to notice that the situation exists at all. But let's stop playing coy word games, shall we? When a boy is ordered to get his "gay ass" out of the house, is it gay people who have failed him? In the main, is it gay people who are the source of the hostility and violence in foster care, homeless shelters, and correctional facilities? If a quarter of homeless gay youth are throwaways, is it gay people who have thrown them away? When gay kids are living on the streets to escape being beaten at home for being gay, are they escaping being beaten by gay people? Oh yes... the way gay children are treated in America (and last I heard, all of the EU with the peculiar exception of the Netherlands) is the most completely contemptible failure of an alleged civilization to perform one of it's self-declared primary functions.

You know perfectly well that the answer to every one of these points is pretty much a resounding "no." Apart from the occasional salacious 'pervert story' that dutifully makes the AP rounds, these actions are quite overwhelmingly undertaken by straight people.

Let's cut out all this pious "we" shit then.

I have to seriously question the wisdom of asking these same criminals to clean up their own mess out of the kindness of their hearts. It is manifestly self-evident that there is insufficient kindness there. That tit has dried up -- if it ever gave milk at all.

You want "horrifying"? Take this 672,000 homeless gay teens figure and tie it together with the typical mortality and morbidity statistics for homeless youth. We're not talking about a bit over half a million gay kids, we're talking about an ongoing flow of abused children. Only 672,000 are estimated to be in this macabre pipeline right now; I just do not have the heart to even try to calculate how many gay kids likely have died while homeless since the year 2000.

Now, is there any culpability here on the part of the gay people? Oh, a thousand times yes. They aren't doing anything. First the straight people fail these kids and then the gay people fail them again, and just as completely. They do nothing or next to nothing.

I take that back.

They're fuss, fuss, fussing over their right to adopt infants, among other things... and of course they ought to have the same rights as everyone else. Meanwhile, they're stealing gay resources from gay children who have nothing but the kindness of straight people (which is to say they have nothing at all).

And don't get me started about the "fur-children."

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Post subject: RE: Gay Youth and Homelessness  PostPosted: Feb 25, 2007 - 08:37 AM



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vanrozenheim wrote:
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They're fuss, fuss, fussing over their right to adopt infants, among other things... and of course they ought to have the same rights as everyone else. Meanwhile, they're stealing gay resources from gay children who have nothing but the kindness of straight people (which is to say they have nothing at all).


Ah, there is a large potential of ressources on the side of gay people... There is probably not that much to steal from those 10 USD per faggot and year donated to the US gay activism (in Europe it's certainly not much different). It's realy not like this that we as a people have a problem with meager ressources, but rather with their mobilization.

You are certainly right to suggest that the money could have been used for a better purpose -- but would these moneys also be actually donated if you have asked the donors for any other purpose than the equal marriage battle? It is not like the gay folks have never heard of the homeless gay teens and the facilities trying to help them. No, they had -- but preferred to donate to different issues. That's the point - gay people must get the message that there are some different issues worth of funding, and thus change their priorities (or simply enlarge the scope of them).

What is all the "equal rights" battle for, if upon gaining those rights we don't make any use of them? In most western legislations gays are free to found newspapers, write, print and sell books, run cultural and political programs -- and don't do it. At least, not to an extent they could.

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Post subject: RE: Gay Youth and Homelessness  PostPosted: Feb 25, 2007 - 08:38 AM



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'berto wrote:
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It's realy not like this that we as a people have a problem with meager ressources, but rather with their mobilization.

You are certainly right to suggest that the money could have been used for a better purpose -- but would these moneys also be actually donated if you have asked the donors for any other purpose than the equal marriage battle?




It's funny you should mention that... I was just reading Rupert Everett saying:

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Gay people go on and on asking other people to support them, but do they support other gay people? No. Gay people are much too self-obsessed and much too paranoid to support anyone.


... and then seems to sort of illustrate his point:

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We're all very caught up in measuring and comparing and creating authority figures and it's all bullshit. You have to be a light for yourself and young gay people should not look to me as a role model. I'm as fucked up and twisted and freaked as they are. You have to forge your own way and understand for yourself what's going on, which means you have to keep your brain alive and open. As soon as you have a role model, you're closing yourself off. It's all fucked, and it all has to do with money in the end.

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Post subject: RE: Gay Youth and Homelessness  PostPosted: Feb 25, 2007 - 08:40 AM



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It is not like the gay folks have never heard of the homeless gay teens and the facilities trying to help them. No, they had -- but preferred to donate to different issues.


Yes. They think this is not their problem. Worse... they think that because 3 in 4 gays do not end up homeless that there is no problem. I have heard quite well-meaning 'mos say just this. "My parents didn't mistreat me. My parents didn't throw anyone out of the house. Things aren't as bad as you say."

Pray to every god you can think of that it is not I who will ever sit in judgement on these matters. Pray to every god and make up a few fictitious ones as well. What the overarching straight societies are doing here is a most wicked crime. The treasonous excuses for inaction on the part of the gay people are a much different and far more grievous offence.

Your little brothers and sisters have no home and you can say "it sucks to be them"?

Your little brothers and sisters are being beaten and abused and you can do nothing but say "well, it has always been this way"?

And if you have a home, and the money to maintain expensive pedigreed dogs, to engage in medical experiments that cost thousands of dollars so that you might have the perfect faux 'mo accessory, to squabble over whether you ought to have the same right to adopt little Chinese or Romanian babies (imported accessories have a certain cachet as well), and still you can sit there and say "these are somebody else's children; this is not my problem"?

Call the prosecutors. There is definitely an indictable offence here, and it's not straight people who are in the dock. Imitating straight people is no crime (though it is a peculiar hobby). Playing these games to the physical detriment of our children though... it is theft, grand larceny.

There are some 700,000 of my brothers and sisters on the streets just now (so the US government claims). Every one of them that wants a home should have one -- a gay one -- by March 1. It's not rocket science.

Every gay kid who has homophobic parents needs a lawyer and gay foster parents. Every gay kid who thinks he doesn't have homophobic parents needs an advocate to ensure that this is in fact the case.

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Post subject: RE: Gay Youth and Homelessness  PostPosted: Feb 25, 2007 - 08:40 AM



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vanrozenheim wrote:
'berto wrote:
It's funny you should mention that... I was just reading Rupert Everett saying:

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Gay people go on and on asking other people to support them, but do they support other gay people? No. Gay people are much too self-obsessed and much too paranoid to support anyone.


Actually, I dislike the wording of Mr Everett statement, it sounds too much pissed-off by others but himself doing nothing as well... He seems to miss the point, at the end: Gay people are as such not less responsible and giving as straight people, and very well there are LOTS of gay people supporting lots of GOOD causes. The problem is that their moneys and their efforts are directed for any possible purposes but not for gay ones. It seems that our gay folks relate on some kind of automatic distributive justice: "I give my money to ALL children, not only to GAY ones". Somehow they do not realize that their moneys are used to feed straight kids while gay kids are psychically and bodily mistreated and kicked out of all the facilities supposed to benefit them as well.

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Yes. They think this is not their problem. Worse... they think that because 3 in 4 gays do not end up homeless that there is no problem. I have heard quite well-meaning 'mos say just this. "My parents didn't mistreat me. My parents didn't throw anyone out of the house. Things aren't as bad as you say."


Oh, things are much worse as you say. While you are talking of 700.000 US-gay kids, one hardly can imagine how many gay teenager are thrown away in the rest of the world. The rest of the world being, with few exceptions, much more dangerous place to grow up as a gay person, the death toll might be tremendous.

I was recently talking with a 60+ gay man about problems of gay people. He said, he was not oppressed - and indeed, being rather wealthy he was probably even more free in his life style than most straights ever were. I thought first he was not aware of the situation of other folks and suggested that he unjustifieably extrapolated his own situation to the entire gay population. But when I reminded him that his personal circumstances were rather exception than the rule, he said: "Well, one can't worry about everybody in the world". Means: "I am very well aware that I am a lucky guy [to have been born into a rich family], while others are fucked up and that's their problem". This rememberes me on that one scene in "Angels in America" where some AIDS-suffering fake-straight-politician was telling to his doc: "Now to someone who does not understand this, homosexual is what I am because I have sex with men. But really this is wrong. Homosexuals are not men who sleep with other men. Homosexuals are men who in fifteen years of trying cannot get a pissant antidiscrimination bill through City Council. Homosexuals are men who know nobody and who nobody knows. Who have zero clout. Does this sound like me?"

This way of thinking still drives gay people to neglect their gay brothers and sisters - in a weird admittance to the notion that gays are anyway not worth of the money being spend on them. At the end, "Gay people are much too self-obsessed and much too paranoid to support anyone", why bother to spend my money on them?

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