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Just a quick footnote on the now winding down Pride events all over the world.

Here in NYC, we have traditionally staged a street fair concurrently with the Pride March. The fair has been staged at the very end of the March route, on Washington Street in Greenwich Village. For those who have ever visited NYC, you know the streets of the Village are a twisting maze laid out in colonial days with absolutely no rhyme or reason. Many are still maintained in their original cobblestone. Last year, one of HOP's volunteers at PrideFest collapsed and died of a heart attack. It took paramedics way too long to navigate two million plus March attendees, dozens of floats, and marchers along the line of march.

This year, HOP requested and got the approval of Chelsea's Community Board to move PrideFest to that predominantly gay neighborhood just north of Greenwich Village. The event would be held the Saturday before Pride Sunday. In order to secure the closing off of streets, additional policing, and sanitation, HOP was required to work with the Mayor's Dept. of Community Affairs to gain a permit to section off several blocks in Chelsea for the event. The Mayor's Office turned down the request citing unsubstantiated security concerns. In response HOP cancelled PrideFest altogether. The rationale behind the cancellation was that no one should have to risk their life while helping to coordinate PrideFest. And going back to Washington Street (which the Mayor's Office offered) was not the answer. That street was a catastrophe waiting to happen. It is narrow, cobblestoned and cordorned off like a Nazi concentration camp by the police during Pride Sunday in their efforts to carry out "crowd control".

The real reason behind the Mayor's denial of a permit has more to do with the fast RE-regentrification of Chelsea. The neighborhood was an eyesore in the 70s and 80s. Crack and heroin addicts made the streets their home. Long abandoned vertical factories sat vacant. It took the gay community's expansion from Greenwich Village to Chelsea to revitalize and rehab the neighborhood. Then the developers moved in and cashed in. Whole blocks have been razed and gleeming new condominiums have sprung up. The center of gay nightclubbing for nearly a decade, nearly all of Chelsea's gay nightspots have closed down. Even the venerable Moonstruck Diner has now been closed. Considered a local landmark, the building will be donated to a museum in Pennsylvania.

After gays and lesbians took over a neighborhood that NO ONE would have dared to call home and rehabilitated it and made it THE hot location to live in NYC, the real estate vultures moved in. They are now engaged in a very real campaign to de-homofy Chelsea and the denial of the permit was their way of preempting what could have become another NYC tradition.

The flap became a rallying cry during the March. Just one little reminder that gay pride and gay politics are still very local indeed.
 
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I was totally confused about what a kilometer was until I read that little snippet. Now I know it equals one mile; you learn so much on that site.


I know, I know -- I just learn so much every time I go there. I wish it wasn't quite so much reading though.

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Rain wrote:
Just one little reminder that gay pride and gay politics are still very local indeed.


Pride events are, I think, quintessentially local. Any deviation from the local in any Pride event is a serious error. (Just me pontificating again.) I won't get into the prudence of organizing events around the health of the organizers rather than organizing the organizers' capabilities around the events -- the view from here on the periphery is, I am quite certain, very different from the view in New York.

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Violence at Croatian Gay Pride march

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Police said they arrested eight people on Saturday after violence marred a Gay Pride march through the centre of the Croatian capital Zagreb.

Organisers said more than 20 marchers had been the target of homophobic attacks. "Around 10 people were hurt, with two needing medical treatment," Marko Jurcic, one of the organisers, told AFP.

Italian senator Gianpaolo Silvestri was in one of the groups attacked, but was unhurt, Jurcic said.

Police said the eight arrests were for threatening behaviour towards the marchers.

"Five of them were carrying what appeared to be Molotov cocktails, but the contents of the bottles they were carrying has yet to be analysed," police spokesman Marina Burazer said.

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Gay Patrols Guard San Diego Pride To Thwart Attacks

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Hoping to prevent attacks on people attending this year's gay pride similar to those last year in which six people were viciously assaulted an LGBT community group is setting up citizens patrols.

San Diego Pride attracts about 40,000 people to the event in Balboa Park. This year Pride will be held July 21 and 22. Calling itself the Stonewall Citizens Patrol is planning to have a dozen four-person teams patrolling the area. The teams will carry cell phones to call police in case of emergency. The group said that despite a large police presence at Pride

Last year six men were attacked as they left Balboa Park. The victims were taunted with homophobic remarks then beaten. At least two of the victims were struck by a baseball bat. One of them was hit nearly a dozen times and required reconstructive surgery on his face. Another victim received a non life threatening stab wound.

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Last year six men were attacked as they left Balboa Park. The victims were taunted with homophobic remarks then beaten. At least two of the victims were struck by a baseball bat. One of them was hit nearly a dozen times and required reconstructive surgery on his face. Another victim received a non life threatening stab wound.


And our guys have... cellphones. Wow, cellphones. Really taking the bull by the horns there. As if everybody within a hundred miles didn't already have one.

"Hey, there! Stop all that anti-gay evil, or I'll... I'll take a *really* unflattering picture of you. No, I mean it! Super low-res, man."

Has no fag ever heard the expression, 'never take a knife to a gunfight?'

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Estonia: cops try to pin blame for anti-Pride violence on marchers

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A year after violent homophobic attacks against Tallinn Pride, organisers prepare for its return amid problems with uncooperative police officials.

Last year LGBT marchers were attacked with sticks and stones by a group of young Estonian nationalists while celebrating the country's gay third pride event.

The press service of the Estonian police told Interfax: "Considering the problems of last year and possible threats involved in holding the event, the prefecture has advised that the organisers should find a place more suitable for it. Since the participants in the parade are many, holding it may disturb the constitutional rights of other citizens to walk the narrow streets of the city."

Pride spokeswomen Lisette Kampus responded that freedom of assembly is a constitutional right.

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Ms Kampus said: "We can not, should not and will not take responsibility for the actions of the people other than the participants. If this year someone from the audience on the streets decides to throw stones, eggs, or hit someone in the parade, they are committing a crime and are therefore subject to a punishment. The police have an obligation to protect the public order and safety of the citizens."

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First man arrested under Croatian hate-crimes law

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A man who is suspected of attempting to throw Molotov cocktails at gay paradegoers in the Croatian capital of Zagreb was arrested last week. The 25-year-old man, identified only as Jossip S., is accused of preparing the bottles of gasoline at his home with intent to throw at participants of Sunday's gay pride parade, which took place in Zagreb's main square, according to Serbianna.com.

Police spotted the suspect with two assistants armed with eggs and tomatoes. He is being held on charges of attempting to endanger lives and property by an act of hatred, though he has yet to be indicted. He is the first person to face charges under Croatia's hate-crimes law, approved by the legislature in 2006.

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First man arrested under Croatian hate-crimes law

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A man who is suspected of attempting to throw Molotov cocktails at gay paradegoers in the Croatian capital of Zagreb was arrested last week. The 25-year-old man, identified only as Jossip S., is accused of preparing the bottles of gasoline at his home with intent to throw at participants of Sunday's gay pride parade, which took place in Zagreb's main square, according to Serbianna.com.

Police spotted the suspect with two assistants armed with eggs and tomatoes. He is being held on charges of attempting to endanger lives and property by an act of hatred, though he has yet to be indicted. He is the first person to face charges under Croatia's hate-crimes law, approved by the legislature in 2006.

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At lest someone seems to get it.

Move over Pride prudes and blasé boys


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Yes, I know, some people get a tad squeamish about the skin, the drag queens, and those they find less desirable. "I am embarrassed to include my family of friends, even myself sometimes," one West End guy recently told me. "Ugly bare asses, trannies in Saran Wrap and politicians in drag. None of that has to do with me, or my boyfriend or our lives."

Davis and his partner Cam, though residents of our fair Village, were simply not feeling the voluptuous nature of Pride on the day we spoke.

"I am all for equal rights and liberations, which I feel in Canada," Davis continued. "I do not need green thongs on young boys on floats to tell me it's accepted to be gay in this country. This shows me it is all right to exploit young guys to sell products in a public environment. Not my first choice."

I can see how go-go gods and glitter and disco may seem frivolous, maybe even offensive. But they do save the get-together from being a political snooze button or a dry demonstration. And we've certainly earned the right to be frivolous and colourful, don't you think?

...


Many of our littermates see Pride as a celebration, a liberation, a freeing experience. No longer bound by the mundane shackles that keep them quiet year round, Pride is a chance to let their hair down!

For those not fortunate enough to live and breathe in gay-central 24/7, Pride is a time of personal growth and expression not to be missed.

...

Many of our littermates see Pride as a celebration, a liberation, a freeing experience. No longer bound by the mundane shackles that keep them quiet year round, Pride is a chance to let their hair down!

For those not fortunate enough to live and breathe in gay-central 24/7, Pride is a time of personal growth and expression not to be missed.


Always there is the wailing that goes something like, "I do not need green thongs on young boys on floats to tell me it's accepted to be gay in this country. This shows me it is all right to exploit young guys to sell products in a public environment. Not my first choice." You know what? The green thongs on young boys on floats (is that what we're calling them this year?) aren't there to tell you it's accepted to be gay in this country. That would be stupid -- and untrue. They're there to tell you that it's OK to gawp at green thongs. Further, it's definitely acceptable to 'exploit' young guys to sell products. The worker is deserving of his pay, largely because he owns the true source of production -- in this case, the ability to fill a green thong in a manner that will sell products.

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The worker is deserving of his pay, largely because he owns the true source of production -- in this case, the ability to fill a green thong in a manner that will sell products.


Why, that's verging on "commie" talk there, Fer. Am I finally starting to get through to you? Wink Razz

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No, Sweetie... it's a paraphrase of a line from some old and moldy Wiccan traditions. I've heard it's in the Bible as well.

These crazed Leftists would have me believe that Louis Vuitton is cynically 'exploiting' Chad White to hawk their wares. Guess what? I saw the product. Were they not employing Mr. White, I would never have looked. They know me pretty well, it seems.

The crazed Leftists would have me believe that Aussiebum is cynically 'exploiting' lads to sell me underwear, of all things. Damn if I didn't notice that underwear though. And damn if I didn't go straight to their web site. What's this? They have DOWNLOADS? Damn... those cynical bastards just conned me into putting a freakin' ad for underwear on my desk top. The diabolical bastards.

The models own their bodies... they ought to be able to rent them to whomever they please for what ever purposes they see fit. They are worthy of their hire (and damn... some of them need to be paid in the professional sports price bracket. That's quite some trick, getting me to look at a product I don't use, go to a web site I have no interest in, and put an ad on my own computer -- ON PURPOSE). Yessiree... the 2wink underwear folks are as demonic as the Joe Boxer villains.

Gay Pride floats need more "paid flesh" on their floats, not less... and it should be well-paid flesh. They deserve the money they earn through the employment of their capital assets... after all, they're ephemeral assets.

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No, Sweetie... it's a paraphrase of a line from some old and moldy Wiccan traditions. I've heard it's in the Bible as well.


Well, I have always maintained that Jesus was a socialist. Very Happy

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The vehemently anti-gay folks at Americans For Truth, Mission America, and the Family Policy Network have announced that during this weekend's pride parades in Atlanta, Columbus, and Chicago, they will fly planes with banners over the outdoor events.

And what will these banners say, you ask? Well, they will encourage participants to visit an "ex-gay" website so that they can repent for their evil gay ways and "change" their sexual orientations, natch


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Oh dear. What will the neighbors think? LOL. It seems no matter where there's a Pride event, there are homos who think the event should be about them, their values, their sensibilities, and their idea of pride (or lack thereof).

No...Pride events are about all of us doing our thing the best way we know how to do it--whatever that thing may be. One day out of 365 will not define a go-go boy in a green thong. Nor should it define any proud homo watching him. To hell with the neighbors. That go-go boy in the green thong is probably their son anyway.

Personally, I'm more concerned about Pride events morphing into giant, issue-driven PSAs and forgetting to remain true to the local flavor of their communities. I don't expect a Pride event in San Jose, Costa Rica to resemble one in New York or San Francisco. New York likes to see lesbian titties and leathermen with crotchless/bottomless chaps on Pride Sunday. Hell, half the people that come to it are heterosexuals (both male and female) just craning their necks and risking whiplash just to peak at some titties al fresco or naked male asses gyrating in the breeze down the streets of Manhattan.

But the important thing is that if the lesbians want to show off their dairy queens and the leather boys want to flash their manginas, well, by golly, go ahead and let them. It's called freedom folks. And that's what Pride is all about.
 
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Well, I have always maintained that Jesus was a socialist.


Wasn't Jesus on a float with some young, hot studs? No, wait...he floated on water and ended up on a boat with some young, hot fishermen...

Oh, Christ...I got my christianity all mixed up with green thongs and bulges filling them. I sound absolutely pentecostal.

I need some cawfee. Time to take a break.

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Montreal Pride was a big hit

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San Diego Union-Tribune

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My first inkling that some gay staff members objected to the gay pride parade story on July 22 came via Pat Sherman, who works at our sister paper, Today's Local News. He thought the lead describing paraders' costumes focused too much on stereotypes, but what really troubled him was the second paragraph: “But most of the thousands of people who lined University Avenue yesterday for the San Diego gay pride parade went with – get this – T-shirts and shorts, denim jeans, cotton sun dresses and lots of plaid.”

Photo Editor David Poller termed it “incredibly insulting” with its gee-whiz implication, “They look just like us.”

Business writer Keith Darcé preferred the way last year's parade story gave a sense of the meaning and substance of the event in relation to issues such as same-sex marriage. That's important to people who don't see themselves in the paper all the time, he and Poller said.


I guess you just can't win this one. Pride Parades are not without their costumned participants. They are, to say the least, "colorful" events, filled with "colorful" characters. It would hardly do to report on the parade and not mention them. Even so, the bulk of Pride Parade participants and... yes... the spectators lining the streets are really quite ordinary people. Imagine that. And the paper troubled itself to say so... how novel. Now... "meaning and substance" is not something I would casually put together with "Pride Parade." Maybe that's just me. If someone managed to find "meaning and substance" in San Diego's Pride Parade last year, more power to them. As I recall, Brent Corrigan marched -- shirtless (and looking sweet as ever). The event made MY radar anyway. I don't recall finding any connection to the issue of marriage equality in that event, though (and I'm a huge fan of marriage equality).

All three complaints are bogus. Here's hoping the editorial staff at the Union-Tribune sees that as well.

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Not only was it a big hit, apparently the costumes are the highlight of the event.

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Many spectators showed up in family groups, basking under brilliant early-afternoon sunshine, smiling and often swaying to the punchy music.

They were packed as much as 15 deep in some spots along the 16-block downtown route, arrayed on the banks of a spectacular river of 1,500 marchers combining colour and movement.

For Juliette Galarada, almost 9 years old, "the costumes" -- not the crowd size -- proved the highlight.

The youngster delivered that verdict as the last of 70 groups finished their relaxed, one-hour saunter.

The first large contingent -- 22 bikers from the Association des motorcyclistes gais du Quebec -- kick-started the event at 1:10 p.m. The final float crossed the finish line nearly two hours later.

Spectators had an arresting range of choice. These included fabulous plumed headpieces and four parade leaders dressed to embody fire, earth, air and water.

Followed a half-dozen transvestites clad in tight neon-green gowns, or for that matter, their companions on an elaborate float equipped with a twirly water fountain -- a group of lithe young men wearing only the skimpiest of pink bathing-suit-style briefs.


Plumed head-pieces -- check
largely naked lithe young men -- check
I'm missing glitter here.
I also note that there is no mention of baby oil.
Further, the young men are 'lithe,' which is fine, but I am left with the impression that the event was devoid of muscle-boys.
Twirly water fountains do not make up for a lack of glitter, baby oil, and muscle-boys.

What's more, the music was characterized as "punchy" and (gods help me) the spectators were swaying. SWAYING? No, no, no people. I do not know if this is a fault in the parade planners' choice in music or some rhythm deficit in the populace of Montreal, but this sounds like a regular hippie love-fest. Now (here's hoping), perhaps instead it is a case of a 'family paper' being unwilling to truthfully put into words what was actually going on. Still... it says it right there... SWAYING.

People, please... when you're standing 15 people deep and you aren't dancing with your hands up in the air, you just aren't doing it right.

Chalk this one up as a brave effort, with very little time to properly prepare.

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Dutch teenagers to join Pride parade for first time

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