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Feral
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Did I say that the bears did not drink beer? They love beer. The boozy habits of bears is, as you rightly pointed out, well documented.

I said they did not steal beer.

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He had apparently tried out and rejected the mass-market Busch beer in favour of local brand Rainier.

The bear appeared to have got into campers' cool boxes and used his teeth and claws to puncture the cans.


Notice the clever and deceptive use of the word "appear" here. No one saw the bear open the cans (though it proves nothing if it did -- I asserted that bears do not hijack beer trucks, not that they cannot open cans). No one even saw the bear "trying out" the Busch.

Thankfully, Reuters and the BBC are not so dominated by sasquatch infiltrators as US media outlets are. It is clear what has happened here -- some gang of sasquatches has, yet again, duped some innocent bear into cooperating in their criminal scheme (clearly they plied the poor bear with cheap local beer). You will note that all the other beer is missing -- gone without a trace. All the Heineken at the scene is gone, and I'll bet the rangers and staff are in on the frame up as well -- no doubt paid several cans of Busch to frame the bear.

And that photo? The bear is obviously a graduate of the sasquatch bear training camps just across the border in British Columbia. Yah -- provincial government is in on it too.

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I've long wondered who buys those old-fashioned beers nowadays. When was the last time you saw somebody with a can of Pabst Blue Ribbon, or Carling lager, or Schlitz?

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Pabst? Less than a week ago -- a Yanqui tourist.

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Study: Homosexuals smoke more

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OAKLAND, Calif., July 2 (UPI) -- Smoking is more common in the California gay community than in the state's general population, but researchers say more study is needed.

Lead researcher Elisabeth Gruskin, a scientist at Kaiser Permanente Northern California, compared results from a 2003-2004 tobacco-use survey of 1,950 self-identified gay, lesbian or bisexual residents with a general population survey from 2002.

"It is important to know the prevalence and reasons for smoking because we would like to have tailored prevention and cessation interventions that are appropriate for lesbians, gays or bisexuals," Gruskin said in a statement. "If stress is a huge issue, then you would want stress management as part of an intervention. If glamor is a big reason, you want to contradict that in the media."


Twelve percent of women in California smoke, as opposed to 29 percent of Lesbians.

Duh.

Hence my perception that Lesbians smoke like chimneys -- not ALL of them, to be sure... not even MOST of them... smoking is just nearly three times more prevalent among Californian Lesbians than is is among California's general female population.

For completeness, twenty percent of California's men smoke while 27 percent of California's Gay men smoke. I suspect California is weird as far as smoking goes. As I recall, these very studies were quoted a few years ago as evidence of a massive decrease across the board in smoking in the state.

But you know what? There isn't a whole lot of further studies that need to be done on this, just as there is little need to count how many times school kids hear the word 'faggot'. Come back in a decade or so when the study would demonstrate the success or failure of some program or other. I can give Ms Gruskin a hint -- It's not glamor.

Really.

No need for a study.

If 'mos smoked because it was glamorous, Gucci would make cigarettes. They don't. That would be because it isn't, and no sensible person with even a trickle of fashion sense would think that it is.

It's some other reason.

Now -- long cigarette holders (if you happen to already smoke) -- that would be a fashion accessory. I happen to know that my cigarette case is sufficiently stylish to garner at least three complimentary remarks from yuppies a week... not that anyone who doesn't smoke is going to dash out to buy a pack so they can fill that bitchin-cool vintage cigarette case. I frankly doubt that anyone over 16 smokes because of some perceived 'glamor' (or 'coolness'). I've never seen it. That doesn't make it so... I've just never seen it. Should some iggit do a study of motivations for smoking, they won't see a hell of a lot of it either, no matter how many stones are turned over.

Yah.

So... if you have peculiar schemes to "contradict that in the media" -- knock it the fuck off. You're wasting my time and someone else's money. Contradicting fables with more fables in the media doesn't work. Just ask the Democrats. They've been playing that game for years.

Next question: Why is a Moonie-run news syndicate flogging three-year-old statistics that they already flogged three years ago?

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Post subject:   PostPosted: Jul 07, 2007 - 08:46 PM



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Fun with surveys

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Has your child come out of the closet? Ynet-Gesher survey reveals that most Israelis would accept that and go on as usual, but that 27 percent would cut off contact or limit it


All manner of numbers coupled with touchy-feely pablum follow. Oddly enough, these numbers are rather in line with similar figures regarding what becomes of Gay children in the US and UK -- only the Israeli's do just a trifle worse.

Over one in four would throw away their children and we're supposed to congratulate the three for behaving like -- well, I was about to compare them to cats and dogs, but cats and dogs don't reject one in four of their offspring.

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More to the point: Ynet-Gesher survey reveals that most Israelis *say* they would accept that and go on as usual...

We all know what such assurances are worth absent the actual event. I'd be more interested in a survey that tried to determine what most Israelis actually *do* when it happens.

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Post subject:   PostPosted: Jul 17, 2007 - 11:02 AM
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Results from a survey done by the public opinion pollster Tárki in October, 2006:

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Do you have a gay acquaintance?

Country %

Hungary 8
Poland 14
Slovakia 30
Czech Republic 43

Do you regard civil partnerships as acceptable?

Country %

Hungary 36
Poland 42
Czech Republic 61
Slovakia 39

Would you allow homosexuals to marry?

Country %
Hungary 25
Poland 21
Czech Republic 37
Slovakia 23

Would you allow homosexuals to adopt children?

Country %

Hungary 26
Poland 9
Czech Republic 18
Slovakia 14


One thing interests me: when do people perceive themselves as homophobes? Is it when they reject equal marriage, reject equal adoption rights or is it first when they demand for re-installation of public burning of sodomites?
 
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"One thing interests me: when do people perceive themselves as homophobes? Is it when they reject equal marriage, reject equal adoption rights or is it first when they demand for re-installation of public burning of sodomites?"


When you say 'people,' I'm assuming you mean str8 people, right?

Well, in general, they don't see themselves as homophobes... not ever, regardless their positions on any of the above subjects.

Wherever they stand on the homophobic continuum, they see themselves as anointed by Truth and/or God. even the atheists. They see themselves as uniquely fit to judge nature of the existence of their betters.

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Straight or gay talking? Speech reveals all

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In 1994, Rudolf P Gaudio, of Stanford University, published a paper called Sounding Gay: Pitch Properties in the Speech of Gay and Straight Men. Gaudio studied the speech sounds of (a) some openly gay white American men and (b) some openly straight white American men. Then he asked volunteers to listen and see if they could identify which was which. They could.

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In 1996, Jack Avery and Julie Liss produced a study called Acoustic Correlates of Less-Masculine Sounding Speech. Based at the Veterans Administration Medical Centre in Minneapolis, Minnesota, and at Arizona State University, Avery and Liss compared recorded samples of two kinds of speech, applying colourful acronyms to each. One they called "less-masculine-sounding (LMS) male speech". The other they termed "more-masculine-sounding (MMS) male speech".

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Nearly a decade later, a team based at Northwestern University and at the University of Minnesota took things further still. Janet Pierrehumbert and four colleagues looked at a very particular aspect of the question "What, technically, is the sound of gay male American speech?" They also examined the speech of lesbian and bisexual American women.

The team published a study called The Influence of Sexual Orientation on Vowel Production. Its summary is unapologetically technical. But for acousticians and linguists accustomed to reading dry reports, one passage sings with lilting clarity:

"Differences in the acoustic characteristics of vowels were found as a function of sexual orientation. Lesbian and bisexual women produced less fronted /u/ and /[open aye]/ vowel sounds than heterosexual women. Gay men produced a more expanded vowel space than heterosexual men. However, the vowels of gay, lesbian, bisexual speakers were not generally shifted toward vowel patterns typical of the opposite sex."


That last sentence is amusing in it's own way. Of course they aren't. Why would they be (apart from the fantastical delusions of straight people who insist upon seeing everything as some shadow of themselves)?

Now that the white-coat set have satisfied themselves that it really is possible to "talk Gay," perhaps they might move on to demonstrate what underlying unity makes the Gay accent of the American South, the East Coast, and the West Coast all identifiably "Gay," while at the same time identifiably their respective regional accents. When they get done with that one, they can move on to explain how it is that Australians (who by no means have anything resembling an American accent) who are Gay can manage to talk identifiably Gay.

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You know, I have read a myriad of unapologetically technical, dry reports...being an amateur linguist and having a ridiculous fascination with the whys and hows of human linguistic evolution (yes, Virginia, Europeans are closely related to Eskimos and Navajos...the linguistic evidence says so...but not all that closely related to Apaches or Incas).

Vowel fronting, if any non-linguist could possibly understand what that means and entails, is contingent on many factors..chief of which is the point of articulation of consonants whithin a speech environment.

They should have concentrated on the production of consonants by gay people...gay men in particular. That would have been more interesting. Especially the production of the letter "S" which seems to have a distinctive forward point of articulation no matter where a good faggot is found.
 
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Study of gay brothers may find clues about sexuality
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The scientists hope that by gathering DNA samples from 1,000 sets of gay brothers like the Mierows they will be able to find genetic linkages smaller studies failed to detect. They'll be recruiting brothers again at the Halsted Street festival this weekend.

The results may ignite controversy, the researchers acknowledge, both by providing ammunition in the raging cultural war over homosexuality and by raising fears about ethically questionable applications like genetic profiling and prenatal testing.

But, they argue, the research is essential to our biological understanding of sexual behavior.

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Studies that compare identical and fraternal twins for the frequency of a particular behavioral trait have consistently suggested there are both genetic and environmental causes of homosexuality. Identical twins, who share 100 percent of their genes, show a higher chance of both being gay compared with fraternal twins, who typically share the same family environment but only half their genetic code.

What indeed is interesting, is the fact that not all identical twins have the same sexual orientation. The most favoured theory today is that the hormons (or mysterious antibodies) within the mother's bood are determining the developement of the fetus. Obviously, even tiny variations of hormonal environment within the womb can lead to greate differences.
 
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Oh yes. I heard that theory about fetal hormonal triggers for homosexuality. And I also shared it with my mother. She swears it comes from my father's side...despite that there are so many openly gay and lesbian people on her side. She says "all the fags on your father's side have no balls to come. You and your cousin Victor the only ones who managed to embarrass that side of your family".

How nice....

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Study

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One paper at the session featured what may be the most eye-catching title of the meeting: “Erections, Mounting and AIDS: Incestuous Gay Monkey Sex (or seven words you can’t write in your NIH grant).” While the title drew laughter from the crowd here, the paper left many worried. Joanna Kempner, a research associate at the Princeton University Center for Health and Wellbeing, shared preliminary results of her study of the impact of having one’s sexuality-related research attacked by politicians. (In fact, the words from her paper title all come from words whose use was attacked by conservative groups.)

Kempner studied 162 researchers who in 2003 either had their research questioned by lawmakers who tried (and almost succeeded in the House of Representatives) to have their projects blocked for support from the NIH or whose work appeared on what became known as “the hit list” of projects for which the Traditional Values Coalition tried to generate opposition. The research projects — all of which had been approved through the peer review process at the NIH — involved such topics as prostitution, gay sex, unsafe sexual acts, and drug use. Kempner interviewed some of the researchers and sent an e-mail survey to all of them.

While she is still analyzing the results, early findings suggest that the experience of being a target has led some of the scholars to rethink their work or careers. Generally, she found that scholars fell into three, roughly equal groups: those who were proud of their work and who viewed being a target as “a badge of honor,” those who were scared and nervous about the future of their work and careers, and those who had a mix of reactions.

For those who had fears and concerns, there was a real impact on their subsequent decisions, Kempner said. Nearly half said that they took steps to either lower their profile or to change the language in their projects to disguise those qualities that would attract criticism. As one scholar told Kempner of the change, “I do not study sex workers. I study women at risk.” About a quarter said that they had decided to seek funds from non-federal sources in the future, seeking to avoid controversy. This choice is significant, Kempner said, because the NIH is among the better sources of funds for large projects.


Smacks of a prolongued Middle Age - I am afraid, such things happen all over the world. Mind you, the scholars of our days (alike journalists and other supposed martyrs of freedom) also appreciate representative vehicles, 3-room appartments and exquisite furniture. This makes them vulnerable to threats of loosing their jobs, too.
 
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About a quarter said that they had decided to seek funds from non-federal sources in the future, seeking to avoid controversy. This choice is significant, Kempner said, because the NIH is among the better sources of funds for large projects.


Not only is the NIH a better source of funds, its facilities are better at providing unfettered access to research that is not deemed "profitable". Private sources are more willing to provide money and research facilities if the results will eventually be marketable. In the process a lot of research that can't necessarily be marketed, but can help increase the body knowledge is not carried out.
 
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Massive Study on Gay and Lesbian Consumers Released

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A new largest-ever survey of gays and lesbians and their consumer spending habits has been released by Community Marketing, Inc. (with Rivendell Media). 26,205 complete responses to the survey were gathered. Of those, 24,563 of them reside within the United States.
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According to Community Marketing, "From April 13 to May 16, 2007, Community Marketing, Inc. conducted an online survey of lesbian and gay adults. As an incentive, respondents were offered a chance to win one of four airline vouchers valid for a roundtrip flight in North America. This survey comprehensively and effectively represents a broad spectrum of LGBT consumers in all parts of the USA. With a sample size of more than 10,000 for each Index, the margin of error is plus or minus 1% with a 95% confidence interval...


I have a horrible suspicion that we shall be seeing any number of elements of this creation trumpeted as newly-discovered 'facts' in the coming weeks. I even suspect that we've already been subjected to a few -- like some peculiar claims about Gay and Lesbian voting habits.

You will note that the thing is called a "study" in the headline. It isn't one. In the quoted potion, the thing is called a "survey" four times. Yes, it's a rather large on-line survey. One can, if one wishes, apply value to online surveys. I just don't recommend that anyone do so seriously. It is, on it's face, probably a perfectly reasonable indicator of how the respondents to the survey answered the questions. Just what that body of respondents represents, however, is open to debate. Whether the answers generated by the survey are entirely (or even partly) truthful is also open to debate.

Shall we draw, for instance, some inference from the fact (it is one) that more than half of the Lesbian respondents have a cat but only a bit more than a quarter of Gays responded likewise? Are Lesbians really nearly twice as likely to have a cat than Gays? For what it's worth, the ratio looks like it holds true with dog ownership as well.

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Gays have swagger, study suggests

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People can accurately judge the sexual orientation of others based on body type and motion, suggests a study released in the September issue of Journal Of Personality And Social Psychology.


Don'tcha just LOVE these studies?

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File that one under "Duh!". Although are they seriously trying to make a case for the hetero version of gaydar? I think not.
 
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Heteros may well have a functioning version of 'gaydar.' They would have to acknowledge that there was something to see before they could attempt to begin to look for it. Then they would need practice... lots and lots of practice.

I don't see it happening.

I was asked some weeks ago if I thought So-and-so was Gay. It was an innocuous enough question, so I answered in the affirmative. Then comes the inevitable "what makes you say that?"

Piff.

In this instance it was the way So-and-so moved through space. Plus, So-and-so employs two different ways of speaking. He has a fine "straight-boy voice" for most people, and then an easily recognized 'East-Coast-'Mo" accent for others.

"Then what about this other So-and-so?" (They always seem to be making lists, these straight people. I wonder if they know they do that?) As it happens, yes... I thought that fellow was Gay as well. Why? The way he moved his eyes.

"You'll label someone as Gay just because of the way they move their eyes?"

Duh... when they're clearly, obviously, and blatantly smitten with some other So-and-so to the point of distraction, to the point their eyes track him in passing (even when in conversation with someone else)... is the mating dance of the East-Coast 'Mo really that invisible to straight people? Ye Gods! I's like the freakin' birds in Spring, the frogs in Summer, the stags in Autumn (OK... that one's a stretch). Mr. So-and-so wants at least one date (probably several) in the worst possible way from Mr. "I have two accents."

Yah. He's Gay.

And it's not "a label." It's a statement of fact.

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