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Rain
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I just installed this thing they call a Vista gadget (MS-speak for a knockoff of Widgets). But this one's pretty darn good. It pipes house music dj'ed LIVE from all across the planet straight to my comp. I love it.

I gotta tell ya...that little monkey was keeping time to that gay beat something fierce!

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Yes... the monkey dance requires the accompaniment of some sort of House for it's proper effect. On my 'puter the dancing monkey does his moves to the Hook 'n' Sling remix of "I Wish You Would."





But then everything in the world is moving to that tune these days.... my mp3 player is wonky and it will only function if it contains just one song, and then only if it's set to repeat it. No worries. (It's not like the replacement player I eventually plan to buy is going to be set to do anything different)

Razz

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I had to choose between God and witchcraft

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Back in May Jari Ramirez, the host of a popular gossip television show in the Dominican Republic didn't necessarily stun too many people when he admitted he was gay. Ramirez said that he knew he was gay from a young age and that part of his comfortability with being gay stemmed from his parents' acceptance. He also said that he had never been with a woman and would never be with one "because he did not consider himself to be a hypocritical person like many who are married with kids but have a man as a lover."

Jump ahead four months and Ramirez is singing a different tune. Earlier this week Dominican gossip web portal Mas VIP ran an exclusive interview under the following eye-grabbing headline: "Jari Ramirez says he is sorry, gets tired of men and accepts God." In the interview Ramirez now says that he recently came to a very difficult moment in his life in which he had to chose between God and witchcraft (hm, witchcraft?!).


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...Jump ahead four months and Ramirez is singing a different tune. Earlier this week Dominican gossip web portal Mas VIP ran an exclusive interview under the following eye-grabbing headline: "Jari Ramirez says he is sorry, gets tired of men and accepts God." In the interview Ramirez now says that he recently came to a very difficult moment in his life in which he had to chose between God and witchcraft (hm, witchcraft?!).


Common belief among Dominicans (and other Latinos): gayness can be brought on by some evil spell someone "threw at you".
 
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You don't have the exact wording of this particular spell, do you? Rolling

I always wonder how somebody previously Gay can turn to a happy heterosexual, but they are not even claiming such a wondrous thing. What they say is they are "struggling" with their homosexual desires, and this struggling becomes central activity of their lives. They struggle and struggle like a hamster in his running wheel, striving to come close to "Jesus" of whom them have mostly very confuse ideas. Those Ex-Gays are actually poor fellows who fell pray to suggestive brain washing by some false friends introducing them to "Christianity" (or Islam, or whatever). The damn thing (religion) should be banned from public space due to all the harm it is bringing to people.
 
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You don't have the exact wording of this particular spell, do you?

I'll look it up for you, Vicky. I'm thinking we could use it to our advantage.

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I always wonder how somebody previously Gay can turn to a happy heterosexual, but they are not even claiming such a wondrous thing.

HA! And you haven't checked out the video on YouTube! This guy's flame is burning so bright, he's shooting balls of fire out of his ass.

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The damn thing (religion) should be banned from public space due to all the harm it is bringing to people.

Ah...I've been advocating the outlawing of religion for a long time. It's one Marxist theory I personally believe in.
 
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Aussie former "ex-gay" leaders denounce conversion therapy

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Five former leaders of "ex-gay" ministries Down Under have publicly condemned converstion/reparative therapy, according to the Sydney Star Observer.

The Aussie leaders said they were inspired to make their comments by the recent apologies of three former "ex-gay" leaders at an "ex-gay" survivors conference in Los Angeles.

"There was not one person that I met or worked with who, in any genuine way, achieved the fundamental transformation from homosexual to heterosexual," Paul Martin, former leader of Exodus in Melbourne, told the Observer.

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Post subject: Aust. Former Leaders of Ex-gay Ministries Change Perspective  PostPosted: Aug 31, 2007 - 02:34 AM



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Ex-gay ministries credibility around the world is being substantially challenged as an increasing number of people come out with their stories saying - it doesn’t work. In fact, reparative/conversion therapy causes harm that can take years to overcome.

Since the release of his autobiography, ‘A Life of Unlearning’, Anthony Venn-Brown (who went through Australia’s first ex-gay program in 1972), has been collecting testimonials from people who have come out of ex-gay programs as well as former Australian leaders of Exodus. After the apologies of 3 former ex-gay leaders at the Ex-gay Survivors Conference in Los Angeles (organised by Soulforce and beyondexgay.com, he felt it was time to release these statements. Statements by these Australian leaders are now being posted around the internet.

Why has it taken so long for people to speak up?

Anthony gives six reasons on his blog. http://alifeofunlearning.blogspot.com/

Paul Martin Psychologist (Former Exodus Leader – Melbourne) says
During this time, there was not one person that I met or worked with who, in any genuine way achieved the fundamental transformation from homosexual to heterosexual they so desperately desired. The stress of attempting to change their sexual orientation however increased risk of suicidality, and absolutely led to erosion of self-esteem and increased levels of depression and self-deprecation at a very deep level.

Vonnie Pitts (Former Christian City Church Pastor/Living Waters Leader) says
I began my own research into the causes of homosexuality and found there was mounting evidence that sexual orientation is determined in the womb. Now I have absolutely no doubt that homosexuals are born gay and don’t need to change. If I were to see any of the people that I took through the ‘Living Waters’ program again, I would say sorry. My intentions were to help you through your struggle but I acted in ignorance.

John Metyard (Former Exodus Asia Pacific & Living Waters Leader and on the International Advisory Board of Exodus) says
Whereas once I was ardent in my opinion that homosexual orientation was unquestioningly a result of the 'fall' and God's intention was therefore always to heal the same-sex attracted believer and help them to be 'whole', my position is now somewhat different.

Wendy Lawson (Former Exodus Leader Melbourne) says
Today, more than 15 years, after I stepped down from leadership of the X-Gay ministry ‘Exodus’ I have come to know that nearly every member of that group is now living their lives openly as a homosexual person (20 people).

Kim Brett (Former Exodus – Associate, Former Leader - Living Waters and Liberty Inc.) says
There had been an increasing uneasiness in me since 2005 that what I was teaching was harmful to people. I had become tired and ill-at-ease with always feeling that this part of my life and others attending the group (same-sex orientated) is broken and in need of fixing. For a long time I had been witnessing peoples (and my own) growing frustration that no matter how repentant, prayerful and committed we all were to living a life as an ex-gay Christian, the changes we all sought and were taught possible never really materialised for most. Some people I knew were married and had married but most seemed to still be dealing with homosexual feelings.

Read full statements here http://alifeofunlearning.blogspot.com/

Anthony Venn-Brown
Author of 'A Life of Unlearning - A Journey to Find the Truth'
"When we choose to live authentically, we chip away at others prisons of pretend"
Download Chapter 1 'The Confession' FREE www.anthonyvennbrown.com/book.html
 
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Post subject: RE: Aust. Former Leaders of Ex-gay Ministries Change Perspec  PostPosted: Aug 31, 2007 - 04:28 AM



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I would encourage those with an interest in such matters to read this book. This thing called 'reparative therapy' is a sensitive issue that is best described by those who have survived it.

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Post subject: RE: Aust. Former Leaders of Ex-gay Ministries Change Perspec  PostPosted: Aug 31, 2007 - 05:05 AM



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hi feral.....which particular book are you referring to.
 
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Post subject: Re: Aust. Former Leaders of Ex-gay Ministries Change Perspec  PostPosted: Aug 31, 2007 - 05:13 AM



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This one.

avb7 wrote:
Anthony Venn-Brown
Author of 'A Life of Unlearning - A Journey to Find the Truth'
"When we choose to live authentically, we chip away at others prisons of pretend"
Download Chapter 1 'The Confession' FREE www.anthonyvennbrown.com/book.html


Readers in the US might try Amazon, readers in Canada might try Amazon. Alas, our readers in Germany are out of luck with Amazon.de (because they claim it is unavailable), but I trust it would not be too difficult to find.

The blog is good too.

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I have added the link to Anthonie's blog to our weblink section.
 
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TRUTH WINS OUT CALLS FOR THE RESIGNATION OF PFOX EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR REGINA GRIGGS AFTER GROUP FABRICATES HATE CRIME

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LOS ANGELES – Truth Wins Out called on PFOX Executive Director Regina Griggs to resign today for faking a hate crime incident at a the Arlington County Fair in Virginia. Griggs claimed that a gay activist at the PFOX booth physically attacked an “ex-gay” volunteer. She said that police intervened and ejected the assailant from the event. Ex-Gay Watch editor David Roberts investigated her claims and found that Griggs’ story appears to be a complete fabrication.

“Once we started checking with people who would know, the evidence was overwhelming that it could not have happened the way they claimed,” said David Roberts, Editor of Ex- Gay Watch. “Fair officials, the police, eyewitnesses - they all report that no physical attack took place, police were not involved, and no one was escorted off the property. PFOX claimed all those things, and Focus on the Family and other Christian media repeated the claims.”


This was yesterday. Today TWO has this to add:

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Earlier today, Jay Fisette, a member of the Arlington County Board commented on the alleged “hate crime” reported by Regina Griggs, Executive Director of Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays. Griggs claimed that a man was physically assaulted at a booth at the Arlington County Fair because he was an ex-gay PFOX volunteer. A subsequent investigation by Ex-Gay Watch found the allegations to be without merit. Fisette weighed in on the widening controversy:

“The alleged incident is a fiction. It makes for a good story, and possibly helps some with fundraising, but remains untrue. Both the Arlington County Police and the County Fair Board state they have no awareness or record of such an incident. Having spent quite a bit of time at the County Fair myself, I’m not sure the PFOX booth received much attention at all over that weekend.”

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"I’m not sure the PFOX booth received much attention at all over that weekend.”


No more needs to be said!

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Gay man testifies against ex-gay counselor he claims abused him

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In his fight against being gay, Hufford enlisted the services of Christopher Austin, a counselor at the Irving Church of Christ South MacArthur who operated Renew Ministries.

Austin set about to cure Hufford’s homosexuality, allegedly using a procedure that could, at best, only be described as unorthodox and, at its worst, criminal.

The counselor’s novel approach to curing homosexuality involved private sessions to make the client more comfortable with people of his own sex, according to Hufford. This progressed from routine counseling, to nude sessions to fondling and finally oral sex over a year’s time, he said.

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In explaining how he could have been duped into participating in such a bizarre treatment program, Hufford noted that counselors can exercise enormous mental control over their clients. But Hufford said he finally was able to see through the ruse, and he filed criminal charges against Austin in late 2001 and a John Doe civil lawsuit against Austin and the church in early 2002.

Hufford said the stress of the lawsuit and the criminal investigation overwhelmed him, and he wound up dropping the lawsuit and the criminal charges. Dallas County criminal records show sexual assault charges against Austin were dismissed in 2004.

In the process of finally accepting his sexual orientation and coming out in 2003, Hufford revealed in a Dallas Voice story that he was the John Doe who had filed the lawsuit and criminal charges against Austin.

Hufford said in the interview that he had come to accept his sexual orientation, and that he had forgiven Austin.

But that story apparently led to others coming forward who claimed they had also participated in Austin’s “cure” for homosexuality, and the counselor’s luck apparently had run out.

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Truth Wins Out Expresses Gratitude For $40,000 Grant From The Arcus Foundation

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NEW YORK – Truth Wins Out thanked the Arcus Foundation today for rewarding TWO with a $40,000 grant that will greatly assist in the organizations efforts to counter the ex-gay industry. The gift was from The Arcus Gay & Lesbian Fund, which seeks to advance social justice by supporting efforts to promote human rights and policy change for GLBT equality.

“Truth Wins Out is grateful for the generous support it has received from the Arcus Foundation,” said Truth Wins Out’s Executive Director Wayne Besen. “This gift significantly increases our capacity to enlighten Americans about the ex-gay myth. This timely assistance will allow us to educate the public and help people who have been harmed by these dangerous organizations.”

Jon Stryker founded the Arcus Foundation and its Executive Director is noted GLBT advocate Urvashi Vaid. The Gay & Lesbian Fund focuses on impacting religious and values-based beliefs to promote greater acceptance of the GLBT community. It also concentrates on efforts to address and promote racial justice in GLBT communities and further the inclusion of issues of sexuality within racial justice movements as well as expand GLBT human rights in communities of color.


This would not be an excuse to refrain from donating to Truth Wins Out.

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“What I found was that homosexuality was for the young,” said Chambers on the national television show. “There was a time when I wasn’t going to have hair anymore. There was a time when I wasn’t going to work out every day, and lay out in the sun, and be as much a commodity as I was when I was eighteen.”


No...what you found out was what everyone eventually finds out if they live long enough...WE GET OLD, BITCH! And we also live in a youth-obsessed culture. Gay or straight, this business of getting old can be a hard thing to do gracefully. If this depresses you so much, do the decent and honorable thing and kill yourself already. You will then have the added cache of having joined the ranks of many, many young homosexuals and you will be eternally young...and gay.

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“What I found was that homosexuality was for the young,” said Chambers on the national television show.

Oh yes. When only very old guys show interest in you, and you generally increasingly find those tasty-but-not-for-you-anymore teens and twinks to be "superficial, youth- and sex-obsessed," yes then it's time to turn straight. Straights don't have any sex beyound 35, do they? Or does anyone, in this age? How convenient to become father and husband, without actually performing one's spousal duties, because.. ahem, sex is anyway for the young.

Plato has reportedly turned to his "platonic love" in a very advanced age, too - he started preaching "intellectual" love when he lost capacity for the bodily love.

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Isn't it always the way?

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