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Feral
Post subject:   PostPosted: Sep 02, 2007 - 05:32 AM



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“It really is a monkey wrench that sort of is thrown into the process for some of them,” Steffen W. Schmidt, a professor of political science at Iowa State University, said. “It’s potentially more dangerous for the Democrats, where the front-runners have been trying to finesse this issue.”


Finesse? Is that what they're calling it these days?

They're weasels... lying, two-faced weasels.

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I can't seem to find any threads here on the law suit over the Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association's ban on same-sex civil unions in their pavilion. The place is in New Jersey, and as readers may recollect, New Jersey has some pretty clear laws against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation (laws which the populace of that state seem to flout with some regularity).

Free speech cry could cost Grove tax break


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OCEAN GROVE — A pending renewal of a state tax exemption on land including the embattled boardwalk pavilion could become an issue in the Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association's ban on same-sex civil unions in the pavilion, and could end up costing the association hundreds of thousands of dollars.

That's because one of the requirements for land qualifying for the exemption — administered by the state Department of Environmental Protection's Green Acres program — is that the land "must be open for public use on an equal basis," according to the program's rules.

And whether the pavilion is open to the public on an equal basis or a religious structure subject to conditions imposed by the Methodist Church Book of Discipline is at the heart of the controversy, which has now spread to a federal courthouse in Trenton.


Do pop over and read the entire article -- it seems that a great many of the claims the religious organization is making are unlawful ones.

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New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine -- a Hillary Clinton partisan -- has "made clear that he sees full marriage equality for same-sex couples as inevitable in the Garden State" at a recent get-together of the New York chapter of the National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association.

However -- you saw that coming, didn't you? -- he also launched into that traditional Democratic Party song-and-dance, Now Is Not The Time To Make A Fuss About Your Rights, Because You Homos Might Fuck Things Up For Us Democrats, So We'll Have To Put You Off -- AGAIN -- Until After The Next Presidential Election

I say screw the Democrats and *particularly* screw Hillary Clinton. We want our rights, and we want 'em yesterday...

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Now is the only time to make "a fuss" about our rights. There is only now.

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The governor of New Jersey, bless his heart, may say whatever he wants, but ultimately it's not up to him. It's up to the courts to interpret the constitution of the State of New Jersey in an equitable and fair way. The courts have spoken. Now, the politicians must act and do the right thing.

Political expediency is no reason to choose to be on the wrong side of history.

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Dear, sometimes you sound like a... statesman....

Our first President...?

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Our first President...?


Politics and sex are dirty businesses. And I just love filth!

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Mmmmmmm..... sticky goo

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Court upholds Md. gay marriage ban

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Maryland's highest court Tuesday rejected same-sex marriage and upheld the state's 34-year-old statute defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman.

In a case watched closely around the nation, the Maryland Court of Appeals' 4-3 ruling dealt a blow to gay and lesbian advocates who launched their fight to overturn the state's marriage law three years ago. Tuesday, those advocates pledged to take the battle for marriage to the General Assembly, where two lawmakers have already vowed to sponsor legislation to legalize same-sex marriage.

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The court's majority opinion rejected the plaintiffs' claim that the 1973 statute discriminates on the basis of gender. In addition, the court concluded that while marriage is a fundamental right, it is not a right extended to gays and lesbians under current state law.

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In addition, the court concluded that while marriage is a fundamental right, it is not a right extended to gays and lesbians under current state law.


If marriage is a fundamental right legally denied to some citizens, then there's something fundamentally wrong with the law.

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Honey, it is clear that pretty many rights and privilegies do not extend to Gays and Lesbians. The most honorable Peter Akinola of Nigeria and his ilk would even go so far as to suggest that the fundamental right for life does not extend to us. Look into the Bible, and you will find an acient Jewish law which says exactly this: Gays must be exterminated. And many of those so-called Christians and Muslims share this opinion (OK, upon bargaining they would agree to have us sterilized and closed away in concentration camps). The very principle of racism is the belief that other races are nearly sub-human, and mos certainly have no claims to be treated the same way as humans, in this case "heterosexuals".

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something fundamentally wrong with the law


Oooooooh no. I like laws. Laws are good. Rule of Law is a quite necessary principle. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with the law... there's something fundamentally wrong with the creatures interpreting the law. It's something so fundamental that, by times, it extends even to the creatures writing new laws. It's something that extends even to creatures who do nothing at all.

There is definitely something very wrong on a very basic level here. I do not much think it is a problem with law... that is just ink on paper. A handful of Gay volunteers can produce just reams of paper densely ornamented with all manner of bits of ink. Laws are quite simple things. The problem lies in the hearts of the populace who must abide by them and the hearts of those persons charged with enforcing them.

Yes, there are more than a few things that are fundamentally wrong when some people, by definition, just aren't 'people' enough to merit fundamental rights. One of the things that is most wrong (and in a very fundamental way) is the persistent insistence of Gays to beg and plead and whine and wheedle for these creatures to (pretty please, if it's not too much trouble) stop defining the Gay people in a sub-human way.

They aren't going to, you know. They like it that way. They want it that way. The only way they will ever stop is if you make them, oblige them, force them. And just how, pray tell, shall that be accomplished -- more begging and pleading and whining and wheedling?

When you do not care for the rules of the game of football, there is little point in lobbying the players and the referees to change them. Go off and play soccer -- ideally in some other location.

Unless, of course, some clever 'mo has thought up some brilliant scheme to utterly transform the entirety of heterosexual society. That would be some trick. I'd like to watch.

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Says Volokh (and the observation is on point):

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SSM has lost in every state high court to consider the issue since the stunning success in Goodridge in Massachusetts in 2003. SSM legal advocates lost outright in Washington state and New York in 2006. New Jersey's high court also rejected an SSM claim in 2006, though it did order the recognition of civil unions and left open the possibility of a future pro-SSM ruling. A case is still pending in California's supreme court.

When you consider that SSM legal advocates have carefully chosen the most sympathetic venues since Goodridge, this record of losses is especially significant. It means that strong anti-SSM precedents are being created in the friendliest states, making pro-SSM rulings in other states even more unlikely in the near future. Once California is decided, the initial phase of post-Goodridge litigation will have pretty much run its course. That was the phase that was supposed to start an avalanche of pro-SSM judicial rulings that would quickly lead to gay marriage around the country. It didn't happen. Other cases are pending in states like Iowa, and there's nothing to stop gay couples from filing anywhere else, but the odds are now longer. If SSM is to advance much in the near future, it will probably have to come legislatively.

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Post subject:   PostPosted: Sep 20, 2007 - 11:30 PM



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If SSM is to advance much in the near future, it will probably have to come legislatively.


Now is the time to vote as a unified bloc and to keep doing it consistently.

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