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Post subject: UK: "Sexual Orientation Regulations"  PostPosted: Mar 08, 2007 - 12:59 PM



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(I couldn't find an earlier thread on this...)

Sexual Orientation Regulations published today

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The Government has today published the Sexual Orientation Regulations for Great Britain.

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The regulations come into force on the 30th April.

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Gay campaign group Stonewall said that they welcomed the publication of the sexual orientation regulations.

"We'll be working closely with MP's and members of the House of Lords in coming weeks, ahead of votes in parliament to approve the new laws," said Alan Wardle, Stonewall's Director of Parliamentary and Public Affairs. "It's essential that these regulations come into force in April to provide much-needed and long overdue protection from discrimination for gay people."

A copy of the regulations can be found on the OPSI website.

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Post subject: Re: UK: "Sexual Orientation Regulations"  PostPosted: Mar 08, 2007 - 07:02 PM



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'berto wrote:
(I couldn't find an earlier thread on this...)


There is no special need for looking for earlier threads. If one is found, it is a simple matter to merge newer topics into it. There is nothing to be feared in "thread proliferation." There is no special need to avoid it as an evil in itself. The moderators here do not feel so "overworked" as moderators elsewhere, and for good reason -- this board does not have the volume of many (indeed most) other boards, and the posters here are far less combative.

In general, it is better to start new threads because one never knows how a particular story may develop or where the discussion will lead. Topics can always be grouped together later. There is, for instance, a thread called Violent Crimes Against Gays where a great many topics will eventually find themselves. It is better though to dignify a particular attack with the separate attention that it deserves at first with it's own thread. Some stories resolve quickly, some turn into great scandals. Not all violent crimes against gays need to be confined to this thread... some will always deserve their own topic.

More on point, I have not had a chance yet to read the published version of the guidelines. There had been talk of watering them down or changing them. How do they look now?

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Blood donation and insurance companies get regulations opt-out

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The new Sexual Orientation Regulations contain an opt-out for insurance companies and blood donor clinics that allows them to continue to discriminate on the grounds of sexual orientation.

The SORs, published yesterday, protect gay, lesbian and bisexual people in England, Scotland and Wales from discrimination when accessing goods and services.

Regulation 27 provides an exception to the SORs where a person is treated less favourably on grounds of his sexual orientation in relation to an annuity, or life insurance policy, or similar matter.

The small print of the regulations, published yesterday, make clear that insurance companies will have to argue to retain this exemption after 2008.

There is a similar provision in gender and disability equality legislation that allows insurers to use actuarial data to decide on which premiums to charge.

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By the way, the UK's new SOR regulations make no mention of trans folks; I wonder how they feel about being ignored by the Blairites and sold out by the L, G and Bs?

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The Equality Act, protecting LGB people from discrimination in regards to goods and services, will come into effect on April 30, 2007.

Transgender discrimination has not been addressed.

[nauseating, self-serving claptrap from Ruth Kelly and Tony Blair edited out]

Commenting on the Government's response to the published regulations, Liberal Democrat Spokesperson for Women and Equality, Lorely Burt MP said: [...] However, we are disappointed the Government opted not to protect transgender people in these regulations as well."

George Broadhead, secretary of Gay and Lesbian Humanist Association, said: "We are extremely pleased that the regulations haven't been unduly compromised by concessions to religious groups. It also gives us hope that if the Government proceeds with its intention to hand many welfare services over to religious groups, that they will not be able to discriminate in the provision of these services on the grounds of sexual orientation. The Government has obviously come to the conclusion that when there is a clash of rights, gay rights must be put before the Œrights' of the religious."


But tough luck about the rights of trans folks? I realize that Broadhead speaks for gays and lesbians specifically, but he glosses over/ignores the fact that one of our most enduring allies, trans folks, who have been with us in the struggle literally from the first night of the Stonewall riots (and earlier, at Compton's Cafeteria) have been left in the lurch. And what would it have cost to do the same as the Lib-Dems and highlight that fact?

Shame, George, shame.

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University accepts 'gay weddings'

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A university which had been at the centre of a row over a decision not to allow same sex "weddings" on its premises has reversed its policy.

Canterbury Christ Church University had faced a storm of protest, but a meeting this week decided it should continue to accept bookings for civil ceremonies.

The vice chancellor, Professor Michael Wright, said the decision was "in view of the forthcoming change in the law".


How perspicacious of them -- when the Sexual Orientation Regulations come into effect the university's bigoted policy would become an unlawful bigoted policy.

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As with Disneyland though, why would you WANT to get married in a place that felt like that about you? It'd be like getting married in a Catholic church.

I know, I know, it's important that people have the *right* to do so, but would they really *want* to?

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Sometimes the material reality of particular buildings is more important than the vague fiction that is someone else's opinion. I do not pretend to comprehend the impulse -- I got married in a living room, the one I happened to be standing in at the time -- but I recognize it.

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'Exempt B&Bs from new gay equality laws'

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The Government has been urged to exempt bed and breakfasts from new laws which ban hospitality operators from refusing customers on grounds of their sexual orientation.

The Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations, which will come into force in England, Wales and Scotland next month, were approved last week after a last-ditch bid to block the legislation failed in the House of Lords.

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But David Weston, chairman of the Bed & Breakfast Association, said that while he welcomed the act on a broader level, he felt that B&Bs should be exempt.

"A lot of small B&Bs are operated from people's homes and for the same reasons that people renting out rooms to lodgers are excluded from the law, so should B&Bs," he said. "We don't want the right to keep people out or to discriminate against them, but a number of very small B&Bs operated by people with strict religious beliefs may be forced to close their business as a direct result of this law."


"A number"? What number? Just who are these B&B operators with strict religious beliefs that "may be forced to close their business"? Perhaps, if they are so very strict in their religious beliefs they can close down their B&Bs and re-open them as "spiritual retreats" that are affiliated with "their kind of people." A spiritual retreat associated with a church wouldn't be covered under the regulations as I read them. I mean... if they actually have strict religious beliefs, why not? The only answer that I can come up with is that these unnamed and uncounted B&B operators (who may or may not exist) are just common bigots.

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"We don't want the right to keep people out or to discriminate against them,


Yes, that's *exactly* what you want to do...

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At least, I should hope it's exactly what they want to do, because it's exactly what they're asking to do.

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Discrimination protections become law today

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The Sexual Orientation Regulations come into force in Britain today.

It is now illegal to discriminate when providing goods ,services and facilities on the grounds of sexual orientation. Heterosexual people are also covered by the new law, meaning that it is now illegal to refuse them entry into gay bars. The rules came into force in Northern Ireland on January 1st.

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Last month a group of Tory MPs attempted to block the SORs at committee stage, arguing that they had not been given proper time to debate them. They then forced a House of Commons vote. However, the regulations passed by 310 votes to 100.

29 Tory MPs voted in favour of the regulations, among them party leader David Cameron, gay MPs Nick Herbert and Alan Duncan, Shadow Cabinet members George Osborne, David Willetts, Francis Maude and Theresa Villiers, and Shadow Equality spokesman Eleanor Laing.

The Chancellor of the Exchequer [Gordon Brown] voted in favour of the regulations, as did Ruth Kelly. It was the first time either of them had voted in favour of gay rights.


But then, poor ol' Gordon Brown, after successfully avaoiding almost every single homo-related vote for an entire decade in office, he slips up just the one time, and the yobs start calling him a fag...

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The man expected to become Britain's next Prime Minister was verbally assaulted in Soho last week. A gang of hoodies taunted Gordon Brown with anti-gay jibes as he left a restaurant in Greek St.

thelondonpaper reports that on Thursday evening the Chancellor was outside the Gay Hussar, a favourite with Westminster politicians, when the gang started to shout abuse. "They were all screaming abuse at him, calling him gay and a poof," an onlooker told the paper.

"They were getting aggressive. A girl said she¹d had her benefits cut and was going to rob him." Mr Brown was escorted to his car by security and driven off.

[...]

Last month Gordon Brown voted in favour of the Sexual Orientation Regulations, which become law today. It was the first time he had attended a vote on gay rights legislation since Labour came to power in 1997.


Ten years -- ten years! -- of ducking the issue, skirting the topic, side-stepping the question... all down the drain. The young hooligans are calling him a poof. Oh, the humanity! Rolling Eyes

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Perhaps Mr. Brown will have a better perspective the next time he is asked to make what he experienced illegal. He was fortunate... It's my understanding that while these packs of creatures are normally fairly "aggressive," the tabloids stretch their vocabularies to find words to describe their behavior when (as is so often the case) the situation escalates.

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This "new leaf" that the Tories have turned over with regards to queer civil rights appears to be nothing but a fig leaf...

Majority Of Tory MPs Reject Gay Rights

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A survey of attitudes of MPs has found that many Conservative members have a markedly different social outlook from leader David Cameron.


Details @ link.

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many Conservative members have a markedly different social outlook from leader David Cameron


Say it isn't so! Next they'll be telling me that the same is true of members of the US Democratic party or ...GASP... the NDP!

Wait...

I've been saying as much for years about both. I get to add the Greens to this grand cabal of two-faced hucksters. Hell, half the time you can't even expect party leaders to comply with the lies in their platforms and position papers. If this is true of those who so blandly insist they are our friends, I will hardly be shocked when a traditional enemy of the Gay people turns out to be as duplicitous as a long-term ally.

No. Most Tories are not worthy of Gay support, no matter what they claim. In fact, a wise man once said that "There is not one single candidate running for public office anywhere that deserves our support. Not one." I do not believe Mr. Kramer was referring to the Republicans or the Tories or any other of that breed of miscreants. In fact, I'm certain he was not. He was talking about every single one of them without regard to political affiliation at all. If you'll read Mr. Kramer's recent speech closely, I think you'll find that he has nothing good to say at all about even so-called right-thinking Gay candidates for office.

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Catholic school system told it can't fire gay principal

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Harassment provisions in the Sexual Orientation Regulations set aside

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New legislation banning discrimination against gays, lesbians and bisexuals is lawful with just one exception, a High Court judge has ruled.
Mr Justice Weatherup said harassment provisions in the Sexual Orientation Regulations must be removed.

The judgement means providers of goods, services and education can be fined up to £15,000 for breaching regulations. But they cannot be prosecuted for stating their opposition to giving a room to a gay or lesbian couple.

The judgement followed a five-day hearing last June when the Christian Institute and numerous churches applied for a judicial review of the regulations which they claimed were a "gay rights charter."

It was also argued that the regulations were a "blatant infringement" of religious liberty which could be used to override matters of Christain conscience or to harass Christians in their belief.

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Colin Hart, director of the Christian Institute, said he was delighted that the harassment portion of the legislation had been struck down. "It means that freedom of speech is preserved," said Mr Hart.

The other applicants in the case were the Reformed Presbyterian Church, the Congregational Union, the Evangelical Presbyterian Church, the Association of Baptist Churches, the Fellowship of Independent Methodist Churches and Christian Camping International.

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Stonewall dismisses “Pyrrhic victory” for Christians

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Gay equality organisation Stonewall said today that the ruling of the High Court in Belfast on the Sexual Orientation Regulations would not diminish the protections for LGB people in the UK.

Chief executive Ben Summerskill told PinkNews.co.uk: “We are delighted that the court has upheld the regulations as they currently exist across the rest of Britain.”

Mr Justice Weatherup said that a provision which protects LGB people from harassment when accessing goods and services should be set aside. The harassment provision is only in the Northern Ireland regulations and not those governing the rest of the UK.

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“It is a small Pyrrhic victory for the Christian fundamentalist organisations that a very small part of the regulations, that we are not convinced are actually needed, have been struck out on the basis they are not in place in the rest of the UK,” said Mr Summerskill.

The harassment provision was added to the NI regulations to match protection from discrimination provision across all groups in the province. Stonewall told PinkNews.co.uk that they took legal advice on harassment over the regulations in the rest of the UK and decided they were not necessary.

The organisation said that it had not come across a single case where harassment had occurred that would not be covered by existing laws.

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The organisation said that it had not come across a single case where harassment had occurred that would not be covered by existing laws.


How peculiar. Funny thing is, I can't name a single case of the anti-Gay bigotry that occurs on an almost daily basis in the UK (in some places more frequently than in others) that is not "covered by existing laws." Problem is, you kind of have to interpret 'people' as including Gays. That has proven difficult for a lot of people, historically.

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The harassment provision was added to the NI regulations to match protection from discrimination provision across all groups in the province. Stonewall told PinkNews.co.uk that they took legal advice on harassment over the regulations in the rest of the UK and decided they were not necessary.


How British! Because there are other regulations that would ostensibly come into play, no new legislation was needed to protect LGBT folks.

An enterprising, conservative judge could turn this argument on its head very easily.

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Oh yes... as such creatures have been doing since time immemorial. It is an old trick, and one we should have learned about long ago rather than continuing to fall for it.

Here's a suggestion... let's write up some quite reasonable laws and vote on them and enforce them ourselves... all from a Gay point of view. After all, the word "people" really does mean "people," does it not?

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