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 Posted: Mar 18, 2007 - 01:47 PM
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Again a German Errungenschaft...
These foreigners, I tell ya, it's like they have a different word for EVERYthing. |
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Posted: Mar 18, 2007 - 09:34 AM
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BTW, I bet none of those links above have "humpet" (or "humpetulo") in them.  |
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Posted: Mar 18, 2007 - 09:02 AM
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vanrozenheim wrote:
Feral wrote:
Well, it's ancient shit... [..] The term "invert" was antiquated crap back in the 80s.
Your perception of "ancient" is sweet.  In Germany the term was used to describe "inverted sexuality" for longer (since 1870).
Yes, yes... this is what I said -- ancient shit.  I do believe that some of the books on homosexuality in the university library may have dated to almost 1870. |
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Posted: Mar 18, 2007 - 08:48 AM
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Feral wrote:
Well, it's ancient shit... [..] The term "invert" was antiquated crap back in the 80s.
Your perception of "ancient" is sweet. In Germany the term was used to describe "inverted sexuality" for longer (since 1870). Apparently, Carl Westphal, a psychiatrist from Berlin, coined the expression "konträre Sexualempfindung", which turned into "amore invertito" following translations of his works into Italian. Translations into French and English, even re-translations into German formed than this wicked "inversion" and thus the "inverts".  Source in German
There is a publication issued by some gay historians in Germany which is called "Invertito"!
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There is no "Other" in bed with a gay man -- not in the sense that there is in bed with a straight man. That creature is most assuredly "Same."
Again a German Errungenschaft: "Der Eigene" (="The Same"). This was a title of an (in-)famous magazine issued by Adolf Brand in Berlin at the age of the 18th/19th century. The issues they were discussing in this magazine might cause certain degree of public outrage in our times - they ranged from boylove to downright misogyny. A very interesting publication this was, actually - I have some photocopies at home.
Germans being notorious proponents of subversive ideas (he and he and he and he), how about improving your language skills?  |
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Posted: Mar 18, 2007 - 02:17 AM
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| Thanks, Fer! I've bookmarked 'em. |
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Posted: Mar 18, 2007 - 01:43 AM
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Matt and Andrey Koymasky have a gay slang dictionary up. (Their site is a treasure-trove of other titbits as well).
Over half of Robert Scott's Gay Slang Dictionary is online here. Mssrs. Koymasky have included terms from this work in their effort.
Two others are here and here, though whether they are significant additions to Scott's is open to debate. |
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Posted: Mar 17, 2007 - 11:54 PM
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LOL.  Snopes did a thorough debunking of "felching" awhile back, as I recall. |
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Posted: Mar 17, 2007 - 11:50 PM
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I've not found one.
I had to go to urbandictionary.com when I wanted to know what it was this thing called 'felching'. Trut me on that one, some things are not worth looking up. |
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Posted: Mar 17, 2007 - 11:15 PM
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This makes me think, though... IS there a "queer dictionary" out there, for real? Y'know, one that lists terminology, meanings etc. that are particular to us -- ie: the meaning of "chicken", for instance.
It might be fun to start an on-line one, if nothing exists, no? |
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Post subject: RE: The queer dictionary
Posted: Mar 17, 2007 - 11:02 PM
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| 'Invert' is terribly old and outdated as a term for gay people. I seem to recall some use of it in Hemingway dialogue. |
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Post subject: RE: The queer dictionary
Posted: Mar 17, 2007 - 03:16 PM
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Well, it's ancient shit... the sort of thing young gays used to come upon in the library while they were furtively reading everything there was to read about being gay. The term "invert" was antiquated crap back in the 80s. I hadn't heard that anyone was seriously using the term today -- it runs counter to just about every working theory of psychiatry.
In a dictionary the word has its place... to aid in translating dusty tomes of out-dated superstition.
The definition of "The Other" in gay reality is quite different from the one used in straight reality. In the context of sex, I would suggest that the concept of "Other" as it exists in straight sex quite simply does not exist in gay sex. There is no "Other" in bed with a gay man -- not in the sense that there is in bed with a straight man. That creature is most assuredly "Same." Men and women may well view themselves as "Same" on a number of levels. That they do not do so to the same degree or to the same extent that we do is, I think, frustratingly self-evident. |
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Post subject: The queer dictionary
Posted: Mar 17, 2007 - 09:11 AM
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Pardon me if I'm asking a question that I should have learned in Queer Kindergarten [aside: there's another good word we have to thank the Germans for], but I was recently perusing an "e-dictionary" (electronic dictionary) demo version, and I came across this:
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invert (in'-vert)
- v. in-vert'-ed, in vert' ing, in' verts.
- tr. v. 1. To turn inside out or upside down. 2. To reverse the position, order, or condition of. 3. To subject to inversion.
- intr. 1. To be subjected to inversion. ‹in0vert (¾n2vûrt1)
- n. 1. Something inverted. 2. Psychology. a. One who takes on the gender role of the opposite sex. b. Used as a term for a homosexual person.
- in vert' i ble adj.
Now, I have been quite lucky (I think) in that the 'head doctors' have never got their hands on me, and as a result I am sadly lacking in my knowledge of all the psycho-babble (not just about queers, but also in general.) As a result, I found myself a bit at a loss when a well-meaning straight at babble (who has since moved over to EM) was expressing relevatory surprise in a thread I started (at babble) to discuss -- in particular -- gay porn. He was going on about how it was such a realization to him that you could have porn that didn't involve "The Other", and I thought, "WTF??? 'The Other'? WTH is *that*?!"
I have since learned (a little), and it's apparently not just the psychologists but the philosophers too who trade in such concepts as "the other", and it is (I guess) a useful concept; I had just never run across it.
Is this just another case of the same, with "invert"? I ask, because while it's not a "pressing problem", as a writer I sort of pride myself on my vocabulary, and I'm always looking to broaden it. This definition is a new one to me, though, so I thought I'd ask -- is anyone else familiar with this meaning of the word? Am I just 'out of the loop'? |
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