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Open Forum - US presidential election '08

berto - Mar 09, 2007 - 11:07 PM
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Is Newt doing a precautionary closet-cleaning (airing out the skeletons) in case he decides to declare?

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Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich acknowledged he was having an extramarital affair even as he led the charge against President Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky affair, he acknowledged in an interview with a religious-right group.

"The honest answer is yes," Gingrich, a potential 2008 Republican presidential candidate, said in an interview with Focus on the Family founder James Dobson to be aired Friday, according to a transcript provided to The Associated Press. "There are times that I have fallen short of my own standards. There's certainly times when I've fallen short of God's standards."

Gingrich argued in the interview, however, that he should not be viewed as a hypocrite for pursuing Clinton's infidelity. "The president of the United States got in trouble for committing a felony in front of a sitting federal judge," the former Georgia congressman said of Clinton's 1998 House impeachment on perjury and obstruction of justice charges.

"I drew a line in my mind that said, 'Even though I run the risk of being deeply embarrassed, and even though at a purely personal level I am not rendering judgment on another human being, as a leader of the government trying to uphold the rule of law, I have no choice except to move forward and say that you cannot accept . . . perjury in your highest officials."

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Gingrich has said he is waiting to see how the Republican field shapes up before deciding in the fall whether to run. Reports of extramarital affairs have dogged him for years as a result of two messy divorces, but he has refused to discuss them publicly.

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"There were times when I was praying and when I felt I was doing things that were wrong. But I was still doing them," he said in the interview. "I look back on those as periods of weakness and periods that I'm... not proud of."

Feral - Mar 11, 2007 - 06:04 AM
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Dems Cancel Nevada Faux News Debate

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The Democratic Party has officially canceled the debate, thanks to one of the few times FAUX News Chairman Roger Ailes used his mouth for something other than eating. Ailes did his best Dennis Miller impersonation and told a bunch of unfunny right-wing jokes, which the Dems are now using as cover to cancel the debate, rather than admit they F'ed up in the first place and that the pressure from truly radical progressives and MoveOn was too much to bear.

Kyleovision - Mar 11, 2007 - 02:05 PM
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The Democratic Party has officially canceled the debate....


And--oh my, hold the phone-- John Edwards has managed to actually use the word 'gay' in turning down Fox:

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Fox News has already proven they have no intention of providing "fair and balanced" coverage of any Democrat in this election.

In recent weeks they have run blatant lies about Senator Obama's background. And Fox was only too happy to give Ann Coulter a platform to spew more hate a few days after her bigoted attack on Senator Edwards and the gay community.


Golly. Was that so fucking hard, you hypocritical, 'I'm not there yet'-spewing hillbilly?
berto - Mar 11, 2007 - 04:17 PM
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"Law & Order" actor Fred Thompson may enter the race

On the issues, he says he:

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-Is "pro-life," and believes federal judges should overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade abortion rights decision as "bad law and bad medical science."

-Opposes gay marriage, but would let states decide whether to allow civil unions. "Marriage is between a man and a woman, and judges shouldn't be allowed to change that."

-Opposes gun control, and praised last week's 2-1 federal appeals decision overturning a long-standing handgun ban. "The court basically said the Constitution means what it says."

-Supports President Bush's decision to increase troops in Iraq. "Wars are full of mistakes. You rectify them. I think we are doing that now," he said. "We've got to give it a chance to work."

-Would pardon former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby's conviction for perjury and obstruction of justice now, rather than waiting until all his appeals are exhausted.

Libby is "bearing the political brunt of something that should've never come about," Thompson said, noting that "practically every witness at trial had inconsistent statements."

Thompson said he was not setting a deadline to make a decision and believes he won't be at a disadvantage if he waited until summer. "The lay of the land will be different in a couple of months than it is today, one way or another," he said.


Oh goodie. Another Reagan. Rolling Eyes
berto - Mar 22, 2007 - 12:24 PM
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John Edwards to quit?

CBC Radio is reporting that Edwards has scheduled a press conference for later today "to discuss the future of his presidential candidacy."

They add that this comes just days after Edwards and his wife went to see a doctor about her health; Ms. Edwards is a survivor of breast cancer.
Kyleovision - Mar 22, 2007 - 12:32 PM
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Oh my.
berto - Mar 22, 2007 - 06:44 PM
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Not quitting, it would seem.

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CHAPEL HILL, N.C. - John Edwards said Thursday his wife¹s cancer has returned, but said he will continue his campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination.

"The campaign goes on. The campaign goes on strongly," Edwards told reporters, his wife by his side.


*click*
Kyleovision - Mar 22, 2007 - 11:14 PM
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Regardless of what he said today, he's done.
Feral - Mar 27, 2007 - 07:00 PM
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Bill Richardson's keynote at HRC LA gala: doesn't address DOMA

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New Mexico Governor and 2008 Dem presidential candidate Bill Richardson was the keynoter at Human Rights Campaign Los Angeles Annual Gala Dinner Saturday night. Let's get to the bottom line:

* He's for a "full domestic partner rights act" bill in New Mexico ("And now, I am fighting for full and equal rights for all domestic partners, including gay and lesbian families."). He also said this:

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Gay and lesbian families deserve respect. And, if I'm elected president, [I'll wage] a principled stand with you to fight for it. What we don't need [are] constitutional amendments, designed to exclude supportive, devoted couples. We need to extend the rights due to all of us as Americans. For instance, the right to visit a sick or dying partner in the hospital. The right to make necessary legal and financial decisions when a partner can no longer do so. The right to equal employment opportunity and the right to protection from violent prejudice.


I don't know WTF this means since he's also on the record standing by his original vote for the federal DOMA in 1996. There was no mention of marriage equality or civil unions in the speech.

* He's for the repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" ("And I just want to say something about 'Don't ask, Don't Tell," it's got to go. It's got to go. If I'm elected president, I will end this disastrous, disrespectful policy of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell.'")

* He's committed to proactively dealing with HIV/AIDS.

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[T]he AIDS commission that is appointed and disappointed and is not active will be a priority in my administration and the AIDS commission chairman will be the Vice President of the United States.


Note it well... Bill Richardson voted FOR DOMA in 1996.
Feral - Mar 28, 2007 - 01:55 AM
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Naughty, naughty...

Someone putting John McCain's MySpace page together used a template which is freely available -- providing its designer is given credit. They also quite carelessly overlooked the fact that some of the images they were using were hosted on the designer's server -- something you really don't want to be doing (unless the idea of some third party having absolute control over your images doesn't give you pause).

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Davidson decided to play a small prank on the campaign this morning as retribution. Since he’s in control of some of the images on the site, he replaced one that shows contact information with a statement:

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Today I announce that I have reversed my position and come out in full support of gay marriage…particularly marriage between two passionate females.


I suppose there's no point in pondering whether someone who can't manage a simple MySpace page ought to be involved in government in any capacity.
berto - Mar 29, 2007 - 09:31 AM
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*snerk*
Feral - Mar 29, 2007 - 11:56 PM
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ATL Malcontent, on suggestions that Obama is all style and no substance:

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Rudy: 9/11. Did I mention 9/11?

Hillary: I was born a poor black child

Obama: I come from a place called Hope

McCain: I'm not a maverick, at least not today

Romney: I'm not a liberal, no matter what my record says

Richardson: I'm not Hillary

Edwards: I sure got a purty mouth!

Feral - Apr 05, 2007 - 10:38 AM
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Romney Renews Call For Federal Amendment On Gay Marriage

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(Manchester, New Hampshire) Republican Presidential hopeful Mitt Romney has introduced the issue of a federal amendment to ban same-sex marriage into his campaign.

The former Massachusetts governor tells the Manchester Union newspaper that moves underfoot to repeal a 1913 law he used to block out-of-state gay and lesbian couples from marrying in Massachusetts show the need for an amendment.

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Romney said that if the old law is repealed it is likely that a same-sex couple from outside Massachusetts will go to the state, get married, and then try to have the courts in their home state validate the marriage. "And that's going to go to the (U.S.) Supreme Court," he told the paper.

"At that stage, the Supreme Court could say it's not valid, it's null and void," Romney said. "But to me the most sure way to preserve the traditional marriage is by having a federal amendment."


Mr. Romney's grasp of the law is a little shaky here. While it's certainly possible that the Supreme Court could rule in the way Mr. Romney suggests (many things are possible), it's extremely unlikely. A ruling in this manner would play havoc with many decades of stare decisis on the petty covenants clause of the US Constitution. People routinely get married in one state and have those marriages accepted unquestioned in other states.

It's not a matter of one state having more stringent marriage laws than another... a state that requires an HIV test before issuing a marriage license does not require such tests of people who have married in states where such tests are not among the requirements for a marriage. Nor would a person receive a bill if they got married in a jurisdiction that charged a fee of $50 for a marriage license but resided in a jurisdiction that would charge $200 for the same license. A completed marriage contract is a completed marriage contract.

Mr. Romney is right about one thing -- it would require a constitutional amendment to accomplish his aims in this regard.
berto - Apr 11, 2007 - 10:29 AM
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The Gays love Edwards!

(or is it just this nebulous "gay leadership" that supposedly does?)

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Democrat John Edwards is touting prominent gay supporters who have signed on to his presidential campaign, including a former adviser to President Clinton.

Businessman David Mixner is one of 25 people listed on a news release that the Edwards campaign distributed Tuesday, along with a statement from the candidate saying he is honored to have the backing of so many respected gay leaders.

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Edwards is making a push for gay support in the competitive Democratic presidential primary. In February, he came out in support of legislation that would end the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy that prevents people who are openly gay from serving in the military.

[as have Obama and Ms. Clinton]

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"Don't ask, don't tell" created a rift between President Clinton and Mixner, who raised millions for him among gay and lesbian voters but was later arrested in front of the White House in a protest of the policy. The two later said they patched up their differences and agreed to disagree on the administration's policy.


.... from the same link:

Congressional Black Caucus' proposed presidential debate on Faux Gnus to be boycotted by top Dems

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A group affiliated with the Congressional Black Caucus vowed Tuesday to stick with its plan to co-sponsor a presidential debate with Fox News even though top Democrats have said they will not participate.

"We have extended invitations to all presidential candidates to participate, and we are hopeful that they will accept our invitation," the Congressional Black Caucus Political Education and Leadership Institute said in a statement.

The CBC Institute's alliance with Fox prompted an outcry from liberal activists who complained the cable news network is biased against Democrats and is racially insensitive in its coverage of black issues.

On Monday, Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton joined John Edwards in saying they would skip the debate.

Feral - Apr 12, 2007 - 10:51 PM
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'berto wrote:
The Gays love Edwards!

(or is it just this nebulous "gay leadership" that supposedly does?)


"Nebulous" is definitely the word to put to it, ESPECIALLY since it's being coupled with the words "gay leadership."

Who IS this gay leadership anyway? Are they the major alphabet soup groups like HRC, NGLTF, GLAAD? Are they the also-ran alphabet soupies like IGLHRC? Or would this so-called "leadership" be those gay and lesbian people who, from time to time, accomplish something of value but always manage to be comparatively unrecognized whenever a top 50 list is made of them?

Often it's a mixture of the three. You can judge for yourself which is the case in this instance. Mr. Edwards DID publish the list.

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The following LGBT leaders endorsed Edwards for President:

* Skip Paul, Corporate Executive
* Darren Star, TV Producer
* Julie Johnson, Human Rights Campaign Public Policy Committee Co-Chair
* Eric Stern, Former National Stonewall Democrats Executive Director; Former Democratic National Committee LGBT Outreach Director
* David Mixner, Former Bill Clinton for President Adviser; LGBT activist, fundraiser, author www.davidmixner.com
* Dennis Erdman, TV Producer/ Director
* Mary Snider, Human Rights Campaign Board of Directors Executive Committee Member
* David Tseng, Kerry-Edwards 2004 National LGBT Advisory Committee Co-Chair; Former Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG) National Executive Director
* David Mariner, Former Out for Howard Dean Co-Chair; Founder, www.outfordemocracy.org
* James Duff, TV Producer
* Ramon Gardenhire, National Stonewall Democrats Black Caucus Co-Chair; Former DNC LGBT Deputy Outreach Director
* Scott Benson, Majority Leader Minneapolis City Council
* Shane Larson, AFL-CIO Pride @ Work National Executive Board Member; Association of Flight Attendants (AFA)-Communications Workers of America (CWA) Government Affairs Director
* Scott Wiener, Human Rights Campaign Board of Directors Member; San Francisco Democratic Party Chair* (for identification purposes only)
* Jeff Gardner, Garden State Equality Vice Chair; New Jersey for Democracy Co-Chair
* Lynne Wiggins, Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) National Leadership Council Member; Former Human Rights Campaign Board of Governors Member
* Ken Keechl, Broward County Commissioner; Former Dolphin Democrats President
* Linda Elliott, Human Rights Committee Board of Directors Member
* Dave Garrity, Former Democratic National Committee Member
* Mark Periello, Former Human Rights Campaign staff member; Democratic strategist
* Ron Ginsburg, LGBT Community Activist; business owner
* Randall Kelly, LGBT Community Activist; attorney
* Stephanie Kornegay, LGBT Community Activist; business owner
* Robert D. Horvath, Mautner Project Board of Directors Member
* Patrick J. Lyden, LGBT Community Activist; Homeland Security Advisor


Now, is it reasonable to call these people "leaders"? Presumably, leaders are those who lead, and this status is best judged by those who are led.

While most pundits are all a-quiver over David Mixner's appearance on the list, something that jumps out at me is how very many current or former functionaries of HRC have turned up. You may recall that HRC, which has not endorsed ANYONE yet, is widely believed to be entirely in the pocket of that candidate who shares initials with them. This list is a clear indication that support for Clinton is far from unanimous.

In the case of Mr. Mixner's endorsement we have some very clear commentary explaining the position.

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Let me be very clear. I am disappointed that none of the major candidates support full marriage equality. I deeply believe that our nation has arrived at a place where it is politically possible for a national campaign to be successful and support marriage equality for the LGBT community. It remains my hope that the major candidates may still come around on this issue and follow the courage of other national leaders such as Senator Russ Feingold.

Lorri Jean, CEO of the Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center, recently suggested that members of the LGBT community should not endorse any of the major presidential candidates because of their failure to support such a fundamental right for our community. I honestly considered her point.

But today, my politics are driven by my fierce desire to see an end to the war in Iraq. I am reminded daily of our struggle to end the war in Vietnam nearly 40 years ago. The parallels are striking and surreal. And I feel that I must do everything I can to elect a president who understands and shares this world view.


For what it's worth, I join Ms Jean (and Mr. Kramer) in 'suggesting' that members of the GLBT community not endorse any of the major presidential candidates. I am pleased that Mr. Mixner at least considered this possibility. I'm also pleased that Mr. Mixner has the honesty to state that his support for Edwards has everything to do with war and very little to do with what is good for the gay people. If Edwards were as honest, he'd strike David Mixner from this list of "LGBT leaders" who endorse him. Mr. Mixner is an anti-war activist who endorses Edwards... he has abandoned anything resembling 'gay leadership' this time around in favor of "hope that the major candidates may still come around." He is free to do so, and I am free to decline to follow his lead.

I suspect that were we to have similarly open discussion of the true positions of the endorsers we would find similar rationales. I suspect we would find that this is by no means a list of "gay leaders" but is, instead, a list of anti-war activists who happen to be gay (and strangely hopeful that the candidates will come around at some point).
berto - Apr 29, 2007 - 05:26 PM
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This is so pathetic. In a re-printed AP story about Obama and Clinton blasting Bush-Cheney about the war, the folks over at 365 spotted the short phrase

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The New York senator also promised to "treat all Americans with dignity and equality no matter who you are and who you love." The pledge was clear bow to California's politically active and influential gay community.


and felt that was sufficient to headline the story "Dems Court War Foes, Gays In Calif."...

Pfffftttt!!!!! Rolling Eyes She didn't even SAY the word gay! And Obama (apparently) never said anything that could be construed to be about queers at ALL. Some folks seem willing to accept even the smallest crumb that the Democrats will throw them. That's the recipe for getting ignored and screwed over yet again. Jebus, what the fuck is WRONG with some people's kids?
Feral - Apr 29, 2007 - 09:09 PM
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They think 'crumbs' is all they can get, and they imagine that having the crumbs is better than not having even the crumbs. What's wrong with them? They know in their hearts that those crumbs are more (much more) than they are worth. They must. Otherwise they would be really very angry, and that's one thing "some people's kids" are not is angry.
Feral - May 24, 2007 - 09:02 PM
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Former Aide Takes Shots at Edwards

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Robert Shrum, the veteran Democratic strategist who worked on John Edwards's 1998 Senate campaign in North Carolina, does not remember his onetime client very fondly.

In his new memoir, "No Excuses: Concessions of a Serial Campaigner," Shrum recalls asking Edwards at the outset of that campaign, "What is your position, Mr. Edwards, on gay rights?"

"I'm not comfortable around those people," Edwards replied, according to Shrum. He writes that the candidate's wife, Elizabeth, told him: "John, you know that's wrong."

berto - May 24, 2007 - 09:45 PM
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I guess this explains why he's "not there yet"...
Feral - May 24, 2007 - 09:54 PM
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It would go a long way toward explaining that position, yes.
Feral - Jun 27, 2007 - 08:47 PM
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Clinton Campaign Forms LGBT Steering Committee

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(Washington) Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign announced Wednesday that it has formed an LGBT steering committee made up of prominent gays to reach out to the community.

It includes New York City Council Speaker Christine Quinn; Elizabeth Birch, former Executive Director of the Human Rights Campaign; people from the entertainment industry including Greg Berlanti, the creator/producer of TV series “Brothers and Sisters” and Ilene Chaiken, the creator and producer of “The L Word” among others, and various gay people with experience in the federal government including Eldie Acheson, a former U.S. Assistant Attorney General and the founding director of Public Policy and Government Affairs at the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.

In all 65 people will serve on the committee.

“I’ve seen how Hillary Clinton’s experience, commitment, and leadership have made a difference for the LGBT community,” said New York City Council Speaker Christine Quinn in a statement released by the Clinton campaign.


Christine Quinn? THIS Christine Quinn? Really? Oh my.


Yah. Good luck with that, Senator.
berto - Jun 27, 2007 - 09:46 PM
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Well, I guess with Roy Cohn being dead, and Jeff Guckert already spoken for, and all...
Kyleovision - Jun 27, 2007 - 10:28 PM
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Well, she had to find *some* tame house-queer.

I mean, what with David Mixner pouring tea and dusting the knick-knacks over at Edwards' HQ and all: "Boy howdy, Mistah Edwards, we sho' gots us a nice campaign a'goin' ova heah, ain'ts we?" Yes, suh. Mighty fine."
berto - Jun 28, 2007 - 10:40 PM
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The Hillbilly ain't above *using* us, I see...

Coulter's words help Edwards raise cash
berto - Jul 01, 2007 - 06:39 AM
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More, re: Senator Clinton forms LGBT Steering Committee

Lavi Soloway is pissed off at Her Royal Clinton-ness:

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I have never received a satisfactory answer (political pragmatism doesn't count as an answer, folks) from any of Clinton's gay/lesbian "Dream Team" members that explains why she remained mute on the issue of gay immigration or more generally, but not less urgently, federal recognition of gay and lesbian civil unions, domestic partnerships, and marriages. And I do not refer to her silence during this campaign, but her silence as an elected official, my U.S. Senator, in fact.

I am unclear why she has not drafted legislation to establish federal recognition of gay and lesbian relationships, and repeal the Defense of Marriage Act, a law which she seems not to support. She was elected to legislate, not to campaign.

Hillary Clinton is not just a superstar, an icon, a former first lady, a brilliant politician, or an exceptionally intelligent and masterful public speaker, she is also a legislator. And what has she legislated for our community? LOL, as they say. She's been there since January 3, 2001. Six-and-a-half long years of silence, ignoring the pain inflicted on gay and lesbian couples in New York state by discriminatory treatment at the federal level (no, it's not just a "states' rights" issue), standing by while relationships are destroyed, and families of New Yorkers are torn apart. All the while, a thoughtful well-crafted legislation that followed on the heels of similar policy in 12 other countries including Canada, the United Kingdom and Australia, was begging for her support. The Permanent Partners Immigration Act had over 120 co-sponsors in the House and 12 in the Senate, but Hillary Clinton was not one of them. Nor did she speak up to condemn the anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act signed by her husband into law. (Only now has she dispatched Ethan Geto to explain to us why she feels part of that law is "unfair.") The gay marriage wars have been fought, won and loss in many jurisdictions in the past 6 years, but the U.S. Senator from the state that most likely has the largest lesbian and gay population in the country, has remained silent on how to establish full equality at the federal level for gay and lesbian couples. Silent. (You won't hear me clapping like a trained seal because she worked to defeat the Federal Marriage Amendment. It simply is not the same as taking proactive steps toward legislating equality.)

For this reason I am disappointed that such an illustrious group has signed up to the Hillary Clinton campaign. The experienced and committed men and women should take Senator Clinton to task for her silence. And they should be vociferous critics of her outrageous and offensive platitude (she couldn't possibly believe it, right?) that the Uniting American Families Act (formerly the Permanent Partners Immigration Act) would result in fraud and overburdening of the bureaucracy. The Senate horse trading on immigration reform is in full swing, where is the Junior Senator from New York working overtime to get UAFA attached to this bill. (Oh, yes she is busy campaigning.)

Pillars of our community, with all due respect, should not be signing up enthusiastically, giving her their early imprimatur and credibility (she already enjoys what appears to be unwavering love fest at HRC) as long as Clinton continues to reject the common sense approach: a statement of support of full and equal marriage rights coupled with introduction of legislation that would extend to all gay and lesbian couples the 1,049 rights currently bestowed under federal only to married opposite sex couples. Gay marriage is the defining civil rights issue of our generation, and our community should hold back its support until a candidate with uncompromising morality and courage to lead on this issue comes calling. We should not and must not rush to support one candidate in the primary simply because conventional wisdom has assessed her as most electable of the lot. We do not need more access, we need more action.

Kyleovision - Jul 01, 2007 - 05:55 PM
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I don't particular care what Hilary Clinton says or does at this point. I won't believe whatever she says and as for what she might do... well, let's get real: she's not about to make nicey with the queers at this point. Common Demo wisdom is that we cost them the presidency the last time around. Us, and our intemperate talk of 'rights.'

And, know what? I don't think she's really *wants* to help us. Why should she? Her 'principles?' Oh, man, pull the other one.
Feral - Jul 01, 2007 - 10:01 PM
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I am curious as to why Ms Soloway is so keen to label these Clinton-boosters as "illustrious" and "Pillars of our community."

I will grant that I am more than a little free with "illustrious" on my own account, so I shall let it pass, but "pillars"?

I would consider Larry Kramer a pillar (one among several). I am confident that he is not participating in this steering committee. I can even imagine the colorful terms that would accompany his rejection of such a suggestion... Mr. Kramer would not, I think, be 'polite.'

I think Ms Soloway is mistaken on one small point: it is not that the 'illustrious pillars of our community' ought not be giving the senator their early imprimatur and credibility; it is that the Gays in the US should not be giving the Democratic Party their early imprimatur and credibility. You wish to take Senator Clinton to task for her silence? By all means -- be a vociferous critic. But has not the party as a whole been just as silent?

From a Gay perspective, the Senator is a wholly unsuitable candidate for public office... any public office. There is little point in these pathetic attempts to 'redeem' her or 'woo' her to a more sensible position. She not only does not merit our support, she merits our unending opposition.

Sadly enough, this association with the senator affects the credibility and political capital of the supposedly 'illustrious' -- not the other way around.
Feral - Jul 01, 2007 - 11:41 PM
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NGLTF has finished its analysis of the '08 presidential candidates. If you must, the pdf of the report is here. I find that a certain economy when talking about homophobes is beneficial, so I'll just hand you the good bits.

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U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich is the only 2008 presidential candidate who has publicly supported all eight LGBT issues. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney is the only 2008 presidential candidate who has publicly opposed all eight LGBT issues.

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“The public statements and voting records of the Democratic candidates show that they are clearly light years ahead of the Republicans on almost every issue important to the LGBT community. Nevertheless, the lack of courage on marriage equality is disturbing on both political and moral grounds. Politically, being for civil unions but against marriage doesn’t bring a single voter over from the other side. Morally, it’s hard to understand how a Democratic candidate can say to people they know individually and to one of the most loyal and generous voting blocs the party has, ‘Sorry, I just can’t go there — you understand, right?’ Actually, we don’t.”

vanrozenheim - Jul 02, 2007 - 04:36 AM
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Feral wrote:
I would consider Larry Kramer a pillar (one among several). I am confident that he is not participating in this steering committee. I can even imagine the colorful terms that would accompany his rejection of such a suggestion... Mr. Kramer would not, I think, be 'polite.'


Yes-yes, the most obvious reason why Mr Kramer's response would not be printed is his words ... ahem ... could not be printed.

Ms Clinton and the other US presidential candidates didn't come to the Gay community with a direct question "What can we do for you?" - no, their basic consideration is rather "How do we assure support both from homophobes and Gays, pacifists and weapon industry?" Likewise "How can we appear both Gay-friendly and conservative?" Apparently, their answer is to express public sympathy and compassion for homosexuals, while at the same time doing nothing what could improve the situation of Gays in the US. Once again, Gays get the tasty centerpiece of a donut.
Feral - Jul 02, 2007 - 04:42 AM
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Those tasty donut centers contain no dangerous trans-fats you know. They're quite good for you -- in moderation of course. No one ever got fat feasting on donut centers. One could easily starve to death on them though.
Feral - Jul 03, 2007 - 01:49 AM
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Keith Boykin has an interesting post up asking the question "Is Barack Obama Homophobic?"

It's rather long, so read it for yourself. In short, the answer is an academic "yes" (in that everyone in a homophobic society is homophobic to some extent). It's also a rather qualified "yes" in a more vernacular sense.

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In the meantime, I don't think it's fair to characterize Senator Obama as any more homophobic than anyone else running for president.


Now, I have to notice what Mr. Boykin deftly avoids saying here -- would it be fair to characterize Senator Obama as any less homophobic than anyone else running for president? Boykin seems to stop short of answering that in the affirmative.
vanrozenheim - Jul 04, 2007 - 03:24 AM
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I have great respect and admiration for Barack Obama. My sense is that he respects gay and lesbian people and wants everyone to be treated equally and fairly.


Glittering wrappings, this. Mr Obama will have my respect if he clearly came up with some sort of a message what rights of Gay people he does support, and what is he intended to do for Gay people if he were elected. Does he intend to repeal DOMA and grant full legal equality to same-sex marriages? Does he intend to support the move to let the foreign partners of US residents to immigrate? Will the US administration do something for Gay refugees during his presidency?

Those are simple questions which can be answered clearly within 5 minutes, but somehow Mr Obama (and his competitors) are squirming and writhing in order to NOT answer such questions. Clearly, he will do NOTHING for Gays once he is elected because... well, you see, he even can't PROMISE doing good things for Gays during the presidential campaign.
Feral - Jul 04, 2007 - 05:24 AM
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Does he intend to repeal DOMA and grant full legal equality to same-sex marriages? Does he intend to support the move to let the foreign partners of US residents to immigrate? Will the US administration do something for Gay refugees during his presidency?


He won't answer, but I might be able to guess...

On the first point, as a senator he has said this should be done -- I don't recall him ever lifting a finger to do so (or anyone else, really).

On the second point -- No. Are you crazy?

On the last point -- No. You must be crazy, and probably on drugs.

Just guesses, mind you. I could be wrong. It wouldn't much matter if I were wrong.

As president he would have almost no power to do any of these things. Any candidate who suggests that they would do these things if elected president is, well, lying. Much like Mr. Bush's earlier agitations for an amendment barring gay marriage -- I don't believe the president's opinion would ever be asked for on that matter. It's an issue for the Congress and the individual state legislatures.

Mr. Boykin may put some polite "fellow Democrat" spin on his remarks, but I sense a certain loyalty to Senator Clinton in his article. I could be wrong there as well.
vanrozenheim - Jul 04, 2007 - 05:59 AM
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Feral wrote:
As president he would have almost no power to do any of these things. Any candidate who suggests that they would do these things if elected president is, well, lying. Much like Mr. Bush's earlier agitations for an amendment barring gay marriage -- I don't believe the president's opinion would ever be asked for on that matter. It's an issue for the Congress and the individual state legislatures.


Yeah, but from what I understand the US President has the pover to sign some bills into law, or to veto others just at his own discretion. He is not that powerless as you say? Ratlos

Arrow Going to take my drugs. Wink
Feral - Jul 04, 2007 - 07:00 AM
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LOL. He can certainly veto. The president's influence on executive departments is also significant (most civilized places leave the ministries in the hands of parliamentarians -- not the US).

Mr. Bush's (or Mr. Romney's) views on constitutional amendments though are of little import. Such things must be passed by two-thirds majorities in the Congress. A two-thirds vote may also over-ride a veto. While it is conceivable that a president's opposition might alter a hypothetical vote to over-ride a veto, it is passingly unlikely.

For some reason Americans perpetually ask their presidential candidates all manner of irrelevant questions -- about issues that would be of some importance if we were talking about a Senator or a Congressman. What would the president do or not do about this or that? The answer is generally just so much babble. He (or she) can ask the Congress to do something. So might I ask. Congress seems to pay about as much attention to presidents' requests as they do to mine. A candidates views on what legislation might hypothetically be vetoed are more relevant, but do not make such interesting subjects for debate.

If it were I who was to be elected (all the gods help you in that case), a great many things would be quite different (in places, alarmingly different), but I cannot envision a method though which I, as president, could affirmatively influence the will of congress on the issues of DOMA, immigration policy, or Gay refugees.

Some entertainingly aggressive measures do come to mind involving long-standing US policies regarding foreign embassies, but changes in the law... nope. For that you must elect a great many members of my party to seats in Congress. Alas, my party contains very few available candidates.
Kyleovision - Jul 04, 2007 - 09:44 AM
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Mr. Bush's (or Mr. Romney's) views on constitutional amendments though are of little import. Such things must be passed by two-thirds majorities in the Congress. A two-thirds vote may also over-ride a veto. While it is conceivable that a president's opposition might alter a hypothetical vote to over-ride a veto, it is passingly unlikely.


On the issue of Constitutional amendments, the Executive's influence is yet more scant than that stated above. To be enacted, an amendment requires the separate approval of two-thirds of the state legislatures, in addition to the two-thirds majority of Congress. This barre for Constitutional amendments is set high on purpose: an amendment strikes at the very bases of a citizen's relationship to government, and vice versa.
Feral - Jul 04, 2007 - 08:55 PM
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Now I suppose some future Democratic president might further explore Mr. Bush's controversial use of "signing statements" to get around the unconstitutionality of the Line-Item-Veto. That could prove interesting (and entertaining, for those whose idea of light evening television is a political gottdamerung).
Feral - Jul 11, 2007 - 05:33 AM
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Richardson sorry for 'maricón' moment

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Democratic presidential hopeful Bill Richardson apologized this week for using a Spanish-language slur for gay people, even as he suggested it smacked of politics that news of his “maricón” moment is surfacing now, more than a year later.

The New Mexico governor used the term as part of a joke instigated by talk show host Don Imus during a March 29, 2006, segment of his “Imus in the Morning” syndicated radio program, simulcast on MSNBC.

...

“Bernard on the staff here has been claiming you’re not really Hispanic so-- that you're just claiming that for some sort of advantage or something,” Imus said to Richardson, tongue clearly in cheek. “You can just answer this yes or no and this will answer that question. Would you agree that Bernard is a maricón?”

Without missing a beat, Richardson replied in Spanish, “Yo creo que Bernardo, sí — es un maricón si él piensa que yo no soy hispano. [General laughter] Was that good enough or what? [General laughter]”


Says Chris Crain:

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The March 2006 appearance is resurfacing now because of one reader of this blog. Christopher Hubble, a Denver, Colo.-based book publisher and blogger, e-mailed me after I wrote very approvingly of Bill Richardson's gay right record when he announced for president earlier this year.

Like several of the Richardson supporters quoted in the story, I think the Imus appearance raises legitimate questions about Richardson's judgment. He was clearly baited by Imus, but he replied using the same word without missing a beat. He was so anxious to reply he talked over the host. A clip of the appearance is available here.

Kyleovision - Jul 11, 2007 - 01:37 PM
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Democratic presidential hopeful Bill Richardson apologized this week for using a Spanish-language slur for gay people, even as he suggested it smacked of politics that news of his “maricón” moment is surfacing now, more than a year later. [Emphasis mine.]


Well... yeah.

Is this imbecile unaware that he is a politician? One running for office? Like, right now?

What, he thinks he's an HVAC technician, or something?
Feral - Jul 11, 2007 - 05:45 PM
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LOL

If anything "smacks of politics," it is this apology. That it did not come up last year, of course, fairly reeks of politics.

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“I would never knowingly say or do anything to hurt the GLBT community — a community that I have worked hard for and supported my entire career,” the statement says.

“In the Spanish I grew up speaking, the term means simply ‘gay,’ not positive or negative. It has been brought to my attention that the word also has a hurtful or derogatory connotation, which was never my intent. If I offended anybody, I’m sorry.”


It's a curiously inadequate apology. It contains five basic statements that I am supposed to accept as true without any supporting evidence whatsoever.

I do not believe that he would "never knowingly say or do anything to hurt the GLBT community." Knowingly? I would have to have a low opinion of Mr. Richardson indeed to believe that very many of his actions were "unknowing."

I think Mr. Richardson and I have very different understandings of the meanings of the words "worked hard for" and "supported."

Now, Mr. Richardson is a far better judge than am I of "the Spanish I grew up speaking," but I'm afraid I don't buy this one either. We are but thirteen years apart in age, Mr. Richardson and I. When I was growing up, the word “maricón” most assuredly never, ever meant simply "‘gay,’ not positive or negative." There WERE no words that meant simply 'gay,' neither positive nor negative... not until the word 'gay' came into use. I find it impossible to believe that there WAS such a usage just one decade earlier. Maybe Mr. Richardson grew up using some different Spanish than did I, but I very much doubt it.

Now, probably the 'good' folks at GLAAD really did suggest that the word "also has a hurtful or derogatory connotation." What connotation? The word's denotative meaning is hurtful and derogatory. It's takes a good bit of practice to squeeze a positive connotation out of 'maricón.' Any squabbles over the vagaries of connotative and denotative meaning aside, the context of the remark was deliberately defamatory. I would have to believe something quite peculiar -- something along the lines that Mr. Richardson is not really Hispanic and does not understand Spanish -- in order to believe that it was not his intent to employ this word in a "hurtful or derogatory" way. I don't believe that at all, so I just can't buy this element of his statement either.

The last element, this notion that (IF he offended anyone) he is sorry -- I don't read minds. Maybe he is. Given the context of the sentence though, I just don't believe it.
Feral - Jul 11, 2007 - 07:36 PM
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In case anyone missed it, HRC announced yesterday that they're putting on a "presidential candidate forum" in August... on Logo. It wasn't exactly front page news yesterday, and it's hardly any more interesting today. I suppose people just might flock to their television screens to see if it isn't going to be a (badly) scripted set piece more worthy of a sequel to a Brady Bunch movie (hey... at least THAT would contain quotable and oft-quoted lines like "Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!") in August. Should it prove to be something other than a bad screenplay for a sitcom, THAT would certainly be news worth reporting in depth. Anyway... Chris Crane has spotted something in the early ballyhooing of this event:

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The HRC-Logo press release, dutifully repeated sans scrutiny by dozens of blogs and gay, straight and even anti-gay media outlets, called the forum "historic." How, exactly, do HRC and Logo claim it is "historic"?

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This event … marks the first time in history the major presidential candidates will address a live GLBT television audience…


That statement is about as true as HRC's claim to have 700,000 members. In fact, the very same organization (under different leadership) hosted a forum of Democratic presidential candidates on July 15, 2003.


Point and match, Chris. You only get to play the 'historic first' card once -- when something is a first. I'd actually find this frightfully embarrassing except for one thing -- HRC doesn't have the word "Gay" in their title. I can sit here and pretend this sort of... (what is this anyway -- incompetence, foolishness, garden-variety stupidity?) shenanigans is just a quaint and curious foible of some 'human rights' group that has little to do with me.

I understand that "mistakes" sometimes happen, but still... just how does an organization manage to 'forget' that they did something in the preceding election? It wasn't all that long ago.
berto - Jul 13, 2007 - 04:06 AM
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This ain't your father's campaign...

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You may be among the more than 2 million people who have tuned into YouTube to watch the now infamous “Obamagirl” tribute to presidential candidate Barack Obama.

But you’re probably not among the 1,200 to have watched the drag king rap of Obama saying, “I’m down with the dykes, the straights, and the gays.” Or the 4,400 who have viewed the video of “Nitt Rommey” whose “plan for America” consists of “No homos”?

This is not your father’s presidential campaign. This is 2007, and the ease with which anyone can now create and upload a video onto the World Wide Web, enabling hundreds of people to get an audience for their views on the presidential candidates. And many are using YouTube, the most popular venue for such videos, to highlight candidates’ views on gays.

Finding those videos takes just a little work and many hours of YouTube surfing, and the rewards can be both hilarious and entertaining — or downright frightening.

berto - Jul 18, 2007 - 01:29 AM
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Black pastor takes 'Hillbilly John' to task over his comments about gays and religion
Kyleovision - Jul 18, 2007 - 05:15 PM
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Republicans accuse Hillary of homophobia

http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/2007/07/18/is-hill-a-homophobe/

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Hillary Clinton may be a liberal in regard to the issue of gays and lesbians, but organizers apparently realized at some point that in West Virginia holding a fundraiser at a gay bed and breakfast would not be the best message to send. An official invitation circulating on Tuesday said the site has now been changed to the South Branch Inn in Moorefield, a traditional hotel and conference center.

Feral - Jul 18, 2007 - 09:10 PM
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*Snerk* It took the Repugs THIS long to figure this shit out? Duh -- the sHillary is a habitual 'phobe... has been for years.
Rain - Jul 21, 2007 - 01:32 AM
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No surprise there. Carpet bagger. Carpet muncher. Closet case.

Closeted people lash out to stay in. Why should she be the exception?

Politically, it wouldn't have hurt her to hold the event there. Business is business, after all, and a B&B is in business to make money. So, using that place requires little spin control. It's her and her aides' blanching fear at the swirling rumours of her fondness for one-eyed cats that's terrifying them.

The woman's distasteful. I respect anybody's right to be in the closet even if I don't understand it. But I lost all respect for her when she cast her vote in favor of the Iraq war.
berto - Jul 25, 2007 - 07:52 PM
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Kevin Naff from Washington Blade comments on the recent CNN/YouTube 'debate'

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The debate featured questions submitted by web users via YouTube, the popular video sharing site that is also a magnet for lawsuits alleging copyright infringement. Cooper announced that same-sex marriage had emerged as a popular topic among the 3,000 questions submitted. Two such questions made the cut. In the first clip, a lesbian couple from New York asked the Democrats if they would support their right to marry — each other. The second gay-related question came from a North Carolina-based pastor who asked John Edwards to explain why he invokes his religious beliefs to justify opposition to same-sex marriage.

The problem with this taped setup, of course, is that the questioners can’t follow up. Cooper made a few attempts at pressing the candidates, but he simply lacks the gravitas to do the job credibly. Several times, the candidates simply ignored Cooper and continued with their evasive answers.

In their responses, several candidates repeated their support for “equality under the law” for gay couples. In the Democrats’ political parlance, that doesn’t mean actual equality, it means they back civil unions, whatever that means. They never explain what they mean by the term and Cooper didn’t press them for specificity.

Rep. Dennis Kucinich was the only one to enthusiastically and unequivocally support the right of gay couples to marry during the debate, though cantankerous former Sen. Mike Gravel also supports marriage equality. The others, including Sen. Chris Dodd, Gov. Bill Richardson, former Sen. John Edwards and Sen. Barack Obama, stressed their support for civil unions or domestic partnership rights. Obama even emphasized that he backs full “states’ rights” for gay couples. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton wasn’t asked the question during the debate.

But the issue no one will touch concerns the hundreds of federal rights that convey to married couples. What about those rights? If these candidates support “equality under the law” as they claim, how do they address the issue of the many disparate federal benefits that would be denied to gay couples even if they had access to a state-sanctioned civil union?

The federal government provides more than 1,200 benefits and rights for married couples, including joint tax filings and Social Security survivor benefits. Existing federal law does not recognize gay couples — including those legally married in Massachusetts — and so none of those benefits would confer to same-sex couples in a civil union. Furthermore, a civil union performed in Vermont, Connecticut or New Jersey is meaningless in all other states.

Granting those 1,200 or so rights to committed gay couples would require more than just a federal law recognizing civil unions performed in the states. Legal experts have said lawmakers would need to repeal at least part of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which was supported by many Democrats and signed by President Clinton in 1996. That law does two things: It defines marriage as a union only between a man and a woman and it allows states to refuse to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states.

The part of DOMA that defines marriage as a heterosexual union prevents federal recognition of a same-sex marriage performed in a state and would likely have to be repealed if gay couples were to access those 1,200 benefits.

Our best hope for clarity on these issues arrives Aug. 9, when the Human Rights Campaign and Logo sponsor a Democratic candidates forum (not a debate, because they won’t appear on stage at the same time). It’s a welcome opportunity for the candidates to address a key constituency and probably the only chance gay voters will get to hear precisely what they think on issues important to us.


Then Karen Ocambe from bilerico.com posts this about the upcoming HRC/Logo 'debate'

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After progressive (Pam Spaulding) and conservative (Andrew Sullivan, Chris Crain) bloggers fumed over the announcement that HRC and co-sponsor Logo selected HRC director Joe Solmonese and rock star Melissa Etheridge to serve as the sole panelists, HRC secured Margaret Carlson of Bloomberg News to moderate and Jonathan Capehart of the Washington Post and the National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association for the panel.

HRC is expected to announce the update sometime today.


Followed by a lot of justifications and rationalizations about HRC/Logo's earlier decision, and a lotta PR for the HRC/Logo-sponsored gabfest.

I say thank goodness Spaulding, Sullivan and Crain *did* raise a stink...
Feral - Jul 25, 2007 - 08:23 PM
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Thank Spaulding extra. The other two bloggers have grown quite accustomed to being ignored by organizations like HRC. After all, they aren't properly "progressives," so their criticism MUST be based solely on malice.

For some inexplicable reason, the powers that be have decided that this event simply MUST be a "historic first," so we are all to blindly (and insanely) ignore the fact that, in the last presidential campaign, ABC News' senior correspondent Sam Donaldson was the moderator (and did a fine job of it). There is no reason to believe that Margaret Carlson and Jonathan Capehart will not do just as fine a job. Given HRC's noteworthy experience in putting together debates like this, I would have thought they'd at least remember what they did that worked last time around.

Oopsie... I forgot: there WAS no "last time around" because this is a "historic first."
berto - Jul 27, 2007 - 02:31 AM
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Democratic presidential candidates skip DLC circle-jerk; DLC whines, while Associated Press mops the tears away and murmurs "there, there"...
Feral - Jul 27, 2007 - 04:45 AM
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LOL

I scoff at this notion that the DLC consists of "moderates." There are Republicans more Left than these so-called moderates... and more Gay-friendly. I'd trade the entire DLC for a Republican-controlled House in a heartbeat.

And here I thought the current brood of Democratic candidates couldn't possibly increase in favor -- what a pleasant surprise.
Rain - Jul 27, 2007 - 05:50 AM
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Why would they want to attend? They've proven they can raise the cash without having to go begging to the party's loan sharks!
berto - Aug 04, 2007 - 12:25 PM
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Queer religious leader endorses a political candidate (not someone I'D endorse), and suddenly the "Interfaith Alliance" feels the need to speak out against religious leaders dabbling (swimming in?) politics.

A sudden epiphany about the importance of the separation of Church'nState?

Why? 'coz it's a Democrat being publicly endorsed all of a sudden, or 'coz it's a queer religious leader doing it?

I question the timing here. But then, I'm a Cynic...
berto - Aug 04, 2007 - 07:05 PM
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Growing Discontent With Two Parties Fuels Independent Candidate Interest

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Former Democratic Sen. Sam Nunn of Georgia said Friday he is frustrated with the direction of the presidential race and acknowledged talking with New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and others about an independent challenge to the major parties.

Feral - Aug 04, 2007 - 07:21 PM
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berto wrote:
Queer religious leader endorses a political candidate (not someone I'D endorse), and suddenly the "Interfaith Alliance" feels the need to speak out against religious leaders dabbling (swimming in?) politics.

A sudden epiphany about the importance of the separation of Church'nState?

Why? 'coz it's a Democrat being publicly endorsed all of a sudden, or 'coz it's a queer religious leader doing it?

I question the timing here. But then, I'm a Cynic...


Oh, sharpen those cynic's knives -- this is not the "usual suspects" (though in ways, it very much is)... this would be the "Religious Left".

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The Interfaith Alliance (TIA) is a 501(c)(4) nonpartisan advocacy organization. Founded in 1994 to challenge the radical religious right, TIA remains committed to promoting the positive and healing role of religion in public life by encouraging civic participation, facilitating community activism, and challenging religious political extremism.


I am not at all sure what they think they're doing with these remarks -- they hardly seem crafted to suit their stated purpose.

I regret (though I am not surprised by) the association of Ásatrú and Wicca with this cabal.
Feral - Aug 10, 2007 - 07:50 AM
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Activists: Rudy has done more for gay rights than any candidate

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Like the other Republicans in the race, Giuliani will not be taking part in tonight's presidential debate on gay issues. But he still has done more to advance gay rights than just about any of the Democrats who will participate, gay activists said.

"Rudy Giuliani is near the top of the list," said Matt Foreman, head of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, who was an activist in New York when Giuliani was mayor.

"The challenge for those of us in the gay rights movement is to look at two things: an elected official's accomplishment while in office and whether they affirm the humanity of gay people," said Foreman.

"On that score, Mayor Giuliani has a good record," he said, citing the city domestic partnership law, state hate crimes law, public support and appointments of gay judges.

berto - Sep 10, 2007 - 09:06 PM
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Etheridge enamoured with Kucinich, but hasn't endorsed him... yet

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Melissa Etheridge wasn’t just fawning over Dennis Kucinich — she was having a genuine epiphany about the Democratic presidential candidate during the LGBT forum in Hollywood sponsored by the Human Rights Campaign and Logo, and broadcast live by the network on Aug. 9.

Feral - Sep 21, 2007 - 02:34 PM
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Hillary Makes Sure ‘The Advocate’ Understands How Much She Does Not Support Marriage Equality

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The gays love Hillary. She's not for marriage equality, and her husband instituted Don't Ask, Don't Tell, but man, those boys sweat her anyway. A while back, Newsweek tackled this conundrum, but in next week's issue, gay newsmagazine The Advocate does it better: "Like a blushing schoolgirl, we take the varsity jock’s flirtations at face value, deluding ourselves into believing he’s going to ask us to the prom," explains editor Sean Kennedy. "When in reality he’s just using us to get to our sexy friend who will actually put out." (Hey, there’s a reason these people write all the cleverest shows on television.) Some hopeful gay voters take her carefully worded objections to marriage equality and interpret them as hints that she really, deep down, believes in it. But in the Advocate story, Clinton for the first time makes it aggressively clear that this is not the case. "I would tell you [if it was]," she said to Kennedy. "This is an issue that I’ve had very few years of my life to think about when you really look at it, when you compare it to a whole life span. I am where I am right now, and it is a position that I come to authentically." Hear that, gays? She really, really doesn't support gay marriage (or was it not the gays who were supposed to be listening up?).

Rain - Sep 21, 2007 - 10:55 PM
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I have never liked Hillary Clinton. I liked her husband. I especially liked him after he stuck a Cuban up Monica's twat. That takes a lot of balls for a chief of state, even if he hypocritically denied it. Now, Hill may have bigger cojones than her husband, but she's a bigger hypocrite than Bill too.
vanrozenheim - Sep 23, 2007 - 01:00 AM
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Bill Clinton was in many relations a good president for the USA, it's a pity he was handled the way he was. "No deads" is an outmost reasonable policy, isn't it? Now that Bush administration is slpending exorbitant amounts of dollars for weapons and dead bodies, nobody dares to impeach this bandit and those criminals who instigated him to give the orders he gave. The moment I saw on CNN that Bush was re-elected (wholly democratically, this time), I simply couldn't believe it. Poor America, half of the population <b>must be</b> morons. But then this was no different in Italy, Austria, Netherlands, Poland, Russia etc - the entire world is filled with people who are criminally dumb.

Back to Hillary -- who cares. Obama has no balls, Edwards is ambigues - not a greate selection to pick out someone. Neither Democrats nor Republicans seem to like Gays, a feeling they share with majourity of the US population. You guys must be happy only 40% of those folks think Gays must be jailed, the others challenge their Christianity to tolerate us.
Feral - Sep 23, 2007 - 01:48 PM
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Must I? Must I really? Well, I'm not happy about that particular statistic -- not one bit.

The spouse and I were discussing just yesterday: If someone were to be so foolish as to ask, "oh wise Kyle and Feral... who among the existing candidates should I vote for?" just what would the answer be?

Not too curiously, we came up with the same four answers.

Anyone stupid enough to ask ME who to vote for should not be voting at all. They should concentrate on learning to tie their shoes without assistance.

Of the existing candidates, Edwards is the least unpalatable, meaning every other candidate is measurably worse. (Yes, yes... I know all about Kucinich... Edwards it is.)

Were I to actually endorse some person for president... Larry Kramer. Yes... liver transplants tend to disqualify one on health terms. A lot of people really must insist on a certain level of robust vigor in their presidents. I do not see this as an issue. The White House is, first and foremost, a "bully pulpit" and I just can't think of anyone I'd rather see in that position. Somehow I doubt the straights would see things quite my way.

Lastly... since it's not too dreadfully late for such maneuvers... the Democrats really should consider running Josiah Bartlet (I mean, Martin Sheen) for the office. They could pry Aaron Sorkin away from his film career to be chief of staff. There is something to be said for the ability of a president to "look presidential" and, if they can't manage to understand what's going on, to at least deliver their lines as if they do.
Rain - Sep 24, 2007 - 12:17 AM
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I'm reprinting this here for the benefit of those who do not have a NYT user account. This story bears watching as it bears heavily on the outcome of the elections next year should this come to pass. Yet another example of how bloodless coups are carried out in our country.

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Op-Ed Columnist
In 2008, Bush v. Gore Redux?

By BOB HERBERT
Published: September 22, 2007

Right now it’s just a petition drive on its way to becoming a ballot initiative in California. But you should think of it as a tropical depression that could develop into a major storm that blows away the Democrats’ chances of winning the White House next year. And it could become a constitutional crisis.

It’s panic time in Republican circles. The G.O.P. could go into next year’s election burdened by the twin demons of an unpopular war and an economic downturn. The party that took the White House in 2000 while losing the popular vote figures it may have to do it again.

The Presidential Election Reform Act is the name of a devious proposal that Republican operatives have dreamed up to siphon off 20 or more of the 55 electoral votes that the Democrats would get if, as expected, they win California in 2008.

That’s a lot of electoral votes, the equivalent of winning the state of Ohio. If this proposed change makes it onto the ballot and becomes law, those 20 or so electoral votes could well be enough to hand the White House to a Republican candidate who loses the popular vote nationwide.

Even Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican, has suggested that the initiative is a form of dirty pool. While not explicitly opposing it, Mr. Schwarzenegger said it smacks of changing the rules “in the middle of the game.”

Democrats are saying it’s unconstitutional.

The proposal would rewrite the rules for the distribution of electoral votes in California. Under current law, all of California’s 55 electoral votes go to the presidential candidate who wins the popular vote statewide. That “winner-take-all” system is the norm in the U.S.

Under the proposed change, electoral votes would be apportioned according to the winner of the popular vote in each of California’s Congressional districts. That would likely throw 20 or more electoral votes to the Republican candidate, even if the Democrat carries the state.

A sign of the bad faith in this proposal is the fact that there is no similar effort by the G.O.P. to apportion electoral votes by Congressional districts in, for example, Texas, a state with 34 electoral votes that is likely to go Republican next year.

Longtime observers in California believe the proponents of this change — lawyers with close ties to the Republican Party statewide and nationally — will have no trouble collecting enough signatures to get it on the ballot in June. The first poll taken on the measure, which is not yet widely understood by voters, showed that it would pass.

Laurence Tribe, a Harvard law professor and one of the nation’s pre-eminent constitutional scholars, believes the initiative is blatantly unconstitutional. “Entirely apart from the politics,” he said, “this clearly violates Article II of the Constitution, which very explicitly requires that the electors for president be selected ‘in such manner as the Legislature’ of the state directs.”

In Mr. Tribe’s view, the “one and only way” for California to change the manner in which its electoral votes are apportioned is through an act of the State Legislature.

Professor Tribe is not a disinterested party. He represented Al Gore in the disputed 2000 presidential election. And not all constitutional experts agree that this would be such an easy call. “This is not an open-and-shut case,” said Richard Pildes, a professor at the New York University School of Law.

What is undisputed is that the Democrats will mount a ferocious legal challenge if the ballot initiative passes — “maybe even before it has a chance to pass,” a Democratic source said yesterday — thus opening the door to an ugly constitutional fight reminiscent of Bush v. Gore in 2000.

The potential for trouble in the event of a close election is huge. Said Professor Tribe: “This is really a prescription for a possible constitutional crisis in which we have one president if California electors act in accord with the method set out by the State Legislature, and another president if the electors are divided according to this ballot initiative.”

The operatives behind the initiative are experts at causing trouble. The effort is being led by Thomas Hiltachk, a lawyer who was one of the leaders of the successful effort to recall California Gov. Gray Davis in 2003. Politics is not just hardball to this crowd; it’s almost literally a fight to the death.

The proponents of the initiative understand completely that a constitutional crisis could damage the nation’s democratic process and undermine the legitimacy of a presidential election. In their view that’s preferable to a Republican defeat.

California voters would be doing themselves and the nation a favor by soundly defeating this poisonous initiative if it makes it onto the ballot in June.

vanrozenheim - Sep 24, 2007 - 12:47 AM
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Ahem, you fellows better split such articles into 2 or 3 smaller portions. Pleeeaase... It is for a reason they demand subscription to their articles. You don't want to see the poor doctor be jailed and disgraced, now do you? Wink
Rain - Sep 24, 2007 - 02:06 AM
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That one's OK, Vicky. You do not need to have a paid subscription to read the Op-Ed section of the Times. But you do need to register online.
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